#robotics

00:21:31: .........RifRaf:2 days to go :(
00:21:42: ........Tom_afk:for what?
00:21:55: .........RifRaf:adsl
00:21:59: ........Tom_afk:hmm
00:23:05: .........RifRaf:is on the line already cause the modem tells me
00:23:27: .........RifRaf:but they are gonna make me wait
00:23:59: ........Tom_afk:the code you sent wasn't the stuff we're working on
00:24:10: .........RifRaf:was too
00:24:18: .........RifRaf:want a new version?
00:24:23: ........Tom_afk:maybe i opened the wrong file
00:24:32: ........Tom_afk:i'll check after i eat
00:24:39: ........Tom_afk:may need to get it from you again
00:25:16: .........RifRaf:the menu stuff is gone
00:25:32: .........RifRaf:its in dataloggerMMC.c.broken if you want it
00:25:35: ........Tom_afk:i need to boot the other machine first
00:25:41: .........RifRaf:k
00:25:51: .........RifRaf:ironing a shirt for work
00:26:09: ........Tom_afk:i'll get it in a sec..
00:26:26: ........Tom_afk:need to clean out the dnld dir too
00:29:47: ..........Tom_L:ok send all the mmc stuff please
00:31:23: .........RifRaf:we need a cvs
00:32:56: ..........Tom_L:oh, you added the other stuff with it now..
00:33:10: ..........Tom_L:does this one work?
00:33:44: .........RifRaf:yes
00:33:48: .........RifRaf:no
00:33:56: .........RifRaf:it compiles the way it is yes
00:34:04: .........RifRaf:but not it you try and mmc stuff
00:34:14: .........RifRaf:when it compiles, just freezes up the uC
00:34:55: ..........Tom_L:wonder if ints are interferring with the xfer
00:39:10: .........RifRaf:yeah i'll have to try debug it later by removing other stuff
00:39:49: .........RifRaf:theatro how did you become a patheticfart?
00:40:13: ........theatro:because java sucks
00:40:19: .........RifRaf:aww
00:40:26: .........RifRaf:why are you javaing?
00:40:27: ........theatro:system crash
00:40:33: .........RifRaf:oh
00:40:36: ........theatro:I am running azureus
00:40:45: .........RifRaf:m'kay
00:41:00: .......crm_work:yea .. someone get a cvs happening
00:41:10: ........theatro:and when I exit flight sim the system crashes
00:41:20: .........RifRaf:theatro stop playing bloody games
00:41:24: ........theatro:anyway now back to reading
00:41:32: ........theatro:yes It was just a break :P
00:41:39: .........RifRaf:i see
00:41:44: .........RifRaf:ok i must goto work
00:41:53: ........theatro:I am reading "junkbots" mark tildens book, its fun
00:42:15: .........RifRaf:crm_work set one up while you are doing nothing at work
00:43:03: .......crm_work:guess i could research it
00:46:20: ............Rif:cyas later
01:19:27: ...katsmeow-afk:rue
01:20:27: ...katsmeow-afk:<cough>
01:21:12: ...katsmeow-afk:anyone?
01:21:19: ........Rebecca:hey katsmeow-afk :)
01:21:25: ..........Tom_L:guss i'll have to do...
01:21:25: ...katsmeow-afk:hi Rebecca
01:21:33: ..........Tom_L::(
01:21:39: ........Rebecca:hehe
01:21:45: ........Rebecca:hi Tom_L
01:21:51: ...katsmeow-afk:why :-( ,, yu don't wanna?
01:21:55: ..........Tom_L:hi
01:22:19: ..........Tom_L:whasup
01:22:28: ...katsmeow-afk:http://206.113.66.9/driller/coupling.html
01:22:57: ...katsmeow-afk:should i quit irc now?
01:23:07: ........theatro:no
01:24:27: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION waits on the laughter and complaints of blurry pics :-(

01:24:40: ........theatro:why not use wire ?
01:24:49: ...katsmeow-afk:too stiff, i tried it
01:24:56: ..........Tom_L:how does it work?
01:25:03: ...katsmeow-afk:works great
01:25:09: ........Rebecca:... i have no idea what it's supposed to do :)
01:25:12: ..........Tom_L:might debur the holes a bit
01:25:20: ........theatro:Rebecca, I dont either
01:25:26: ..........Tom_L:Rebecca it connects 2 shafts
01:25:36: ...katsmeow-afk:it's a frictionless shaft coupling
01:25:39: ..........Tom_L:that could be a bit unevenly spaced
01:25:40: ........Rebecca:ahhhh
01:25:44: ..........Tom_L:or out of alignment
01:25:55: ........Rebecca:wouldnt the cord get chewed up pretty quickly?
01:26:04: ..........Tom_L:the chord might wear prematurely
01:26:22: ...katsmeow-afk:not once it's fixed in place in epoxy
01:26:28: ........Rebecca:ok :)
01:26:32: ...katsmeow-afk:and 3 inches of cord is cheap
01:27:58: ...katsmeow-afk:ok, so it's useless
01:28:20: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION deletes it

01:28:29: ........theatro:lol
01:28:45: ...katsmeow-afk:gone
01:28:49: ........theatro:"nice cord color kats"
01:28:52: ........theatro:hehehe :PP
01:29:04: ...katsmeow-afk:yea so i used the wrong color
01:31:10: ...katsmeow-afk:just for the record, i have seen these with springs run for years on 1/4 hp motors
01:31:14: ........Rebecca:awwww. dont take em down. it was a cool device!
01:31:21: ...katsmeow-afk:naturally, they were larger diameter
01:31:29: ...katsmeow-afk:already down, rebecca
01:32:29: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION goes to get drunk and throw out the whole driller

01:33:02: ...katsmeow-afk:if the driller is so bad, like the wrong color, it won't turn out good pcbs anyhow
01:33:02: ..........Tom_L:i feel that way about this mmc card too
01:33:09: ........Rebecca:lol
01:33:17: ........Rebecca:katsmeow-afk: colour is important :)
01:33:20: ...katsmeow-afk:it's not funny to me
01:33:50: ..........Tom_L:good thing it's still in my buffer so i can repost it
01:33:50: ...katsmeow-afk:you laughing at me just tells me i cannot work with anyone, i can't even show what i have done
01:33:56: ...katsmeow-afk:fuck
01:34:19: ...katsmeow-afk:ok Tom, no more pics then
01:34:58: .......wildmage:nopcode, this is also a good example of the "reset problem" as you called it: http://www.cs.washington.edu/ai/Mobile_Robotics/mcl/animations/an-238-12a.gif
01:36:14: ...katsmeow-afk:am i any good to anyone?
01:36:18: ...katsmeow-afk:other than as a joke?
01:36:35: .......wildmage:katsmeow-afk, what are you talking about?
01:37:00: ...katsmeow-afk:scroll up
01:37:23: .......wildmage:I did, I still don't understand
01:37:29: .......wildmage:some embarassing pictures or something?
01:37:40: ........Rebecca:
ACTION hides

01:37:50: ........theatro:hey, I am making fun of your fear of embarassement
01:37:52: ...katsmeow-afk:Tom wills end them to you
01:38:06: .......wildmage:katsmeow-afk, it sounds like you were inviting people to laugh at you
01:38:08: ........theatro:dont take me seriously!!
01:38:14: .......wildmage:* katsmeow-afk waits on the laughter and complaints of blurry pics :-(
01:38:41: ...katsmeow-afk:i made a miniature frictionless universal shaft coupling for next-to-free, and it's just a joke
01:39:03: .......wildmage:why? that seems useful
01:39:21: ...katsmeow-afk:sure, but it's the wrong color, etc
01:39:35: .......wildmage:...
01:39:39: ........Rebecca:o_O
01:39:47: .......wildmage:good grief
01:40:07: ...katsmeow-afk:going out of their way to find things wrong with it?!
01:40:22: ...katsmeow-afk:i DID deburr the holes, i used the dremel to do it
01:40:52: .......wildmage:anyway, I'm not sure I can say anything to help you, since every time I tried to cheer you up and help you think positive, you shoot me down... so I'm not going to act as a support until you let me
01:41:18: ...katsmeow-afk:i already took the pics offline, you can't see them anyhow
01:42:13: ........theatro:you got jumper bare wire ?
01:42:36: ........theatro:I think you can make 3-4 loops and use it instead of that cord
01:44:37: ...katsmeow-afk:copper won't take the constant flexing
01:45:37: ........theatro:hm dont know, the one I have here seems strong
01:46:03: ...katsmeow-afk:k
02:01:21: ......rue_house:OH YEA! 3 walls, a 4Kw ups, few $1000 dollars in digital phone gear, SWEET DAY!
02:07:42: ...katsmeow-afk:k
02:10:25: ...katsmeow-afk:i thought i made something today, but i can't show you
02:16:59: ..DammitCoetzee:I've got something in my hand but im not letting you see it! nananananananana
02:17:47: ...katsmeow-afk:i understand, DammitCoetzee
02:19:04: ..DammitCoetzee:but! it might be something cool!
02:19:18: ..DammitCoetzee:you'll never know though! so there!
02:19:30: ..........Tom_L:i don't think you do. you posted a link and before anyone could respond you said "<katsmeow-afk> should i quit irc now?" then "* katsmeow-afk waits on the laughter and complaints of blurry pics :-("
02:19:37: ..........Tom_L:expecting a negative response
02:20:09: ..........Tom_L:when no one really said anything negative about it
02:20:29: ..DammitCoetzee:it sounds usefull
02:21:05: ..DammitCoetzee:unlike the stuff i make =P
02:21:21: ..DammitCoetzee:http://neoeden.50webs.com/9vltflosspsup.html
02:21:24: ..DammitCoetzee:good example
02:21:28: ..DammitCoetzee:XD
02:22:27: ..DammitCoetzee:apparently floss containers arent as cool as altoids tins
02:22:34: ..DammitCoetzee:and i think i should have added an led
02:22:48: ..DammitCoetzee:leds make things look usefull
02:23:26: ...katsmeow-afk:yes
02:23:41: ..DammitCoetzee:like those "red light changers" people used to buy off ebay
02:23:52: ..DammitCoetzee:that were just a momentary switch and an led
02:24:17: ..DammitCoetzee:perfect example
02:26:50: ..DammitCoetzee:or the hard drive light on the computer
02:26:54: ..DammitCoetzee:or the old turbo buttons
02:27:13: ..DammitCoetzee:or inkjet printers
02:29:28: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION nods

02:30:58: ..DammitCoetzee:indeed
02:32:27: .......wildmage:off to the lab
02:33:16: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION looks at rue and fenn

02:34:07: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION looks at the floor

03:02:38: .......kcbanner:If there is a thin layer of paper on the toner on my pcb, will it affect etching
03:02:44: .......kcbanner:I cant use a toothbrush or the toner comes off
03:03:09: ..........Tom_L:it should be stuck a bit better than that or it might come off anyway
03:03:50: ..........Tom_L:the paper may make a fuzzy edge
03:03:54: .......kcbanner:its really hard to scrape it off
03:04:03: .......kcbanner:but little parts come off when I use a toothbrush
03:04:12: .......kcbanner:I used normal paper because I dont have any photo paper
03:04:22: ..........Tom_L:if it's not overlapping the toner it may be ok
03:04:40: .......kcbanner:ok
03:05:00: ..........Tom_L:gotta be really clean and find the right amount of heat for the paper you're using
03:05:09: ..........Tom_L:too much and it'll flatten out the traces
03:05:19: ..........Tom_L:not enough and it may not stick good
03:05:25: .......kcbanner:I tried waterproof paper but of course it didn't wash away. I tried peeling it off but the toner layer was too thin
03:05:50: ..........Tom_L:my current laserjet doesn't leave enough toner either
03:06:02: ..........Tom_L:i have trouble making good boards with it
03:06:27: .......kcbanner:I think the printer is good
03:06:42: ..........Tom_L:problem with regular paper is the toner will melt into the paper too
03:06:44: .......kcbanner:seems solid black, no little holes
03:06:46: .......kcbanner:ah
03:06:57: ..........Tom_L:it should stick good to the board though
03:07:05: .......kcbanner:I'll see what happens with a little paper on top
03:07:06: .......kcbanner:it may work fine
03:07:20: ..........Tom_L:try a bit more heat on the next one
03:07:36: .......kcbanner:yeah I really cranked the iron up and left it on for awhile
03:07:41: .......kcbanner:then went over with the tip
03:07:47: .......kcbanner:and reheated again
03:07:51: ..........Tom_L:give it a try
03:08:01: .......kcbanner:
ACTION searches for FeCL3

03:08:09: ..........Tom_L:you got a bubble tank?
03:08:11: .......kcbanner:I bought a big jug awhile back
03:08:22: .......kcbanner:no...I usually use a plastic container and gloves
03:08:37: ..........Tom_L:the bubble tank helps quite a bit
03:08:52: ..........Tom_L:i didn't used to use one either till these guys convinced me
03:09:16: .......kcbanner:makes it go faster?
03:09:26: ..........Tom_L:yeah i think so
03:09:27: .......kcbanner:I would buy one if things didn't take so long to ship here
03:09:34: ..........Tom_L:make one
03:09:36: ..........Tom_L:if you can
03:09:44: ..........Tom_L:can you get plexi?
03:10:01: .......kcbanner:I have a bunch of plexi
03:10:06: .......kcbanner:I dont know how to glue it though
03:10:17: .......kcbanner:I tried hotglue and pelxi on another project; not good :P
03:10:27: ..........Tom_L:is there a plastic co near you ?
03:10:35: .......kcbanner:no just a glass store
03:10:38: .......kcbanner:but they have it
03:10:49: ..........Tom_L:they may have the proper glue for it
03:10:59: .......kcbanner:ok
03:11:01: .......kcbanner:whats it called
03:11:01: ..........Tom_L:there are 2 basic kinds.. thin and thick
03:11:59: ..........Tom_L:this stuff is WELD-ON #4 liquid and #16 thick
03:12:13: ..........Tom_L:it's a solvent type glue
03:12:22: ..........Tom_L:melts the plastic together
03:12:23: .......kcbanner:yeah like abs glue
03:12:37: ..........Tom_L:i bet they have it
03:12:51: ..........Tom_L:just cut the edges smooth
03:12:59: .......kcbanner:ok.
03:13:04: ..........Tom_L:i use a table saw to cut it
03:13:06: .......kcbanner:Does it take long to dry?
03:13:09: ..........Tom_L:nope
03:13:14: .......kcbanner:sweet
03:13:18: ..........Tom_L:a bit longer than superglue
03:13:27: .......kcbanner:Yeah I've used my dremel to cut plexi...it smells horrible
03:13:33: ..........Tom_L:the thick stuff takes a bit longer
03:13:48: .......kcbanner:The thick stuff bonds more or something?
03:13:57: ..........Tom_L:just fills gaps better
03:14:08: ..........Tom_L:the thin stuff is like water
03:14:18: ..........Tom_L:i use a syringe to apply it
03:14:38: ..........Tom_L:it will wick under the joint and form a bond
03:15:01: .......kcbanner:oh nice
03:15:06: ..........Tom_L:just put the 2 pieces together and run a bead along the side
03:15:14: ..........Tom_L:it'll suck right under it
03:15:19: .......kcbanner:and hold it there until it dries? or clamp it
03:15:24: ..........Tom_L:just hold it
03:15:29: .......kcbanner:sweet that fast hunh
03:15:31: ..........Tom_L:make sure it's square
03:15:37: .......kcbanner:heh yeah
03:15:41: ..........Tom_L:i may have a pic of mine..
03:15:43: ..........Tom_L:lemme look
03:20:43: ..........Tom_L:http://members.cox.net/tlight9b/Temp/Etchtank.jpg
03:20:53: ..........Tom_L:http://members.cox.net/tlight9b/Temp/Etchtank1.jpg
03:22:10: ..........Tom_L:fecl will foam more than that other stuff so i had to cut down on the bubbles a bit
03:22:17: ......rue_house:Tom_L, it looks just like rifs! good work!
03:22:21: ..........Tom_L:thanx
03:22:32: ..........Tom_L:works good too
03:22:48: ..........Tom_L:kinda gotta watch it so it doesn't foam over
03:22:54: ......rue_house:actaully, the cuts on rifs aren't quite as straight
03:22:55: ......rue_house::)
03:23:07: ..........Tom_L:i just use a tablesaw
03:23:17: .......kcbanner:nice Tom_L
03:23:17: ..........Tom_L:with a good blade
03:23:31: .......kcbanner:do you have a bubble bar or something at the bottom
03:23:32: ......rue_house:so I have a 4Kw UPS
03:23:33: .......kcbanner:I cant really tell
03:23:36: ..........Tom_L:tri cut carbide made for plastic cutting
03:23:41: ......rue_house:and 3 walls of my shop
03:23:46: ..........Tom_L:great
03:23:58: ..........Tom_L:that's a hellua ups
03:24:05: ..........Tom_L:batts good?
03:24:39: ..........Tom_L:rue don't you have a bubbler page?
03:26:18: .......kcbanner:yeah it would be cool to get some plans
03:26:29: ......rue_house:no batts
03:26:30: ..........Tom_L:kcbanner yes i just used fish tubing and poked holes in it with a tiny drill
03:26:32: ......rue_house:needs 48V
03:26:37: .......kcbanner:nice
03:26:38: ......rue_house:plans?
03:26:47: ..........Tom_L:i thought you had a bubbler page rue...
03:26:48: .......kcbanner:plans for a etching tank
03:26:59: ......rue_house:no just info on my system
03:27:03: ......rue_house:!assist etch
03:27:45: .......kcbanner:rue_house, why is ammonium persuphate "less messy" that fecl3
03:27:58: ..........Tom_L:it's clear
03:28:03: ......rue_house:cause fecl leaves rusts stains everywhere
03:28:05: ..........Tom_L:until it's used
03:28:31: ..........Tom_L:i just have a bunch of fecl to use then i'll switch too
03:28:38: .......kcbanner:me too
03:28:46: ......rue_house:been there did that
03:28:49: ......rue_house::)
03:28:52: ..........Tom_L:you have a place to get it?
03:28:55: ......rue_house:it took a LONG TIME
03:28:56: .......kcbanner:how toxic is the ammonium stuff
03:29:02: ..........Tom_L:rue i've had this shit for 15yrs
03:29:06: ..........Tom_L:still good
03:29:06: ......rue_house:if you eat it?
03:29:15: ......rue_house:Tom_L, same story here
03:29:18: .......kcbanner:rue_house, if you get some on your skin
03:29:27: ......rue_house:hmm, not
03:29:32: ......rue_house:its just a type of salt
03:29:45: .......kcbanner:oh wow
03:29:52: .......kcbanner:fecl3 is stainy;
03:30:15: ..........Tom_L:http://www.circuitspecialists.com/search.itml?icQuery=persulfate
03:30:52: ......rue_house:I think
03:30:55: ..........Tom_L:one is a bit easier on etch pens
03:31:04: .......kcbanner:yeah I tried an etch pens
03:31:08: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/etch/dscn7660.jpg
03:31:09: .......kcbanner:tried etch pens**
03:31:16: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/etch/dscn7661.jpg
03:31:17: .......kcbanner:I made entire pcbs just using pens
03:31:22: ..........Tom_L:i use shapies to touch up a bit sometimes
03:31:28: ..........Tom_L:sharpies
03:31:54: .......kcbanner:yeah
03:31:57: ..........Tom_L:the fine point work good for that
03:32:04: .......kcbanner:yeah I obught an etch pen once
03:32:11: .......kcbanner:used it once and then it dried up lol
03:32:16: .......kcbanner:used sharpies ever since
03:32:31: .......kcbanner:it was like a .064 pen I think :p
03:32:52: ..........Tom_L:sounds about right
03:33:26: .......kcbanner:I used to make the pcb in eagle, print and tape on then drill holes
03:33:30: .......kcbanner:then "connect the dots"
03:34:22: ..........Tom_L:rif irons on the silkscreen too
03:34:30: ..........Tom_L:for component layout
03:34:32: .......kcbanner:yeah I would too
03:34:39: .......kcbanner:but I dont ahve a laser printer, i just printed these at work
03:35:14: ......rue_house:katsmeow-afk, ?
03:35:17: .......kcbanner:I might just put in a digikey order tonight
03:35:22: ..DammitCoetzee:what is a good price for ferric chloride?
03:35:22: .......kcbanner:I need a 12mhz crystal and some other goodies
03:35:33: ......rue_house:!assist shop/dscn8791.jpg that image is for you
03:35:38: .......kcbanner:DammitCoetzee, I think I paid 20$ for jug that never ends
03:35:53: ..........Tom_L:sounds about right.. 15-20 gal
03:35:54: ..DammitCoetzee:can you reuse it?
03:35:59: ..........Tom_L:yea
03:36:00: ......rue_house:YES
03:36:00: .......kcbanner:DammitCoetzee, I have :P
03:36:06: .......kcbanner:Over and over and over again
03:36:11: ......rue_house:fecl seems to last forever
03:36:17: .......kcbanner:defcl3
03:36:23: .......kcbanner:fecl3 *
03:36:24: ..........Tom_L:i've been told if you plate a nail it'll pull the copper out and you can use it long time
03:36:25: .......kcbanner:Isn't it?
03:36:46: ......rue_house:!assist dscn8795.jpg
03:36:47: .......kcbanner:Tom_L, plate a nail with what
03:36:59: ..........Tom_L:batt charger or something
03:37:02: ......rue_house:you can plate the nail, but that dosn't 'recharge' it at all
03:37:13: ..........Tom_L:car batt.. i dunno
03:37:23: ..........Tom_L:it draws the copper out though
03:37:29: ......rue_house:thats the ups (on the left)
03:37:39: ......rue_house:I tried it, no go
03:37:48: ..........Tom_L:oh really?
03:37:48: ......rue_house:(recharging fecl)
03:37:51: ......rue_house:yea
03:37:57: ..........Tom_L:never tried it just heard about it
03:37:57: .......kcbanner:ok so you have
03:38:14: .......kcbanner:fecl + cu ===> cucl fe ?
03:38:29: ..........Tom_L:rue i had a chance to get one of those free but the batts were no good
03:38:30: .......kcbanner:single replacement reaction
03:38:31: ......rue_house:to the far far left is my radioactive fish
03:38:41: ..........Tom_L:and i really didn't have room for it
03:38:47: ......rue_house:Tom_L, better this one didn't have batts
03:38:47: ..DammitCoetzee:cool
03:38:53: ......rue_house:I dont have to get rid of them :)
03:39:05: ......rue_house:I'll get some carrbats for it or soemthing
03:39:11: ......rue_house:a nice big bank
03:39:20: ..........Tom_L:could get an old old raid too but it's smaller than my current hd
03:39:34: ..........Tom_L:prolly 9-15 drives in it
03:39:41: ......rue_house:I can only get inverters up to 2Kw from the store and they aren't true sine and they are a few hundred $$$$
03:39:56: ......rue_house:the raid drive arrays are sweet
03:40:07: ..........Tom_L:this thing was huge
03:40:16: ..........Tom_L:well about like the ups anyway
03:40:20: ..........Tom_L:maybe a bit wider
03:40:25: ......rue_house:yep
03:40:33: ..........Tom_L:heavier than crap
03:40:36: .........kaeles:i got a 12 drive raid
03:40:38: ......rue_house:that ups is
03:40:48: ......rue_house:luckily its on wheels
03:41:28: ......rue_house:there will be some fun rewiring, I have to figure out hwot o insert' it into the house feed....
03:41:31: ......rue_house:or similar
03:41:49: .......kcbanner:rue_house, rofl your going to UPS your whole house
03:41:53: ......rue_house:yea
03:41:54: .......kcbanner:nice
03:41:57: ..........Tom_L:does it have a monitor plug?
03:41:58: ......rue_house:4Kw is enough I recon
03:42:06: ......rue_house:hmmm, good q
03:42:15: ..........Tom_L:serial or something
03:42:18: .......kcbanner:I want to run a server in my room 24/7 but I am afraid of fire :(
03:42:22: ......rue_house:I go check, brb
03:42:56: .......kcbanner:maybe I should construct a firefproof box
03:43:00: ......rue_house:there is a db9 on the back
03:43:01: .......kcbanner:and put the server in there
03:43:18: ..........Tom_L:yep
03:43:26: ......rue_house:I need a 10 horse deisel now, with a 48V alternator on it
03:43:28: ..........Tom_L:my smartups700 has one
03:43:42: ......rue_house:compaq
03:43:45: ......rue_house:
ACTION shudders

03:43:51: ..........Tom_L:got software here somewhere for it but i don't use it
03:44:01: ......rue_house:lotsa little batteries
03:44:02: ..........Tom_L:?
03:44:05: ......rue_house:365V?
03:44:11: ......rue_house:220 in/out?
03:44:11: ..........Tom_L:yours?
03:44:16: ......rue_house:no yours
03:44:18: ......rue_house:isn't it
03:44:27: ..........Tom_L:it's APC
03:44:29: ......rue_house:mine is 220/110
03:44:31: ......rue_house:oh
03:44:38: ......rue_house:oh right I'm mixing up
03:44:41: ..........Tom_L:needs batts too
03:44:52: .......kcbanner:omfg: http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/
03:44:59: .......kcbanner:computer case made of foam
03:45:02: ......rue_house:seeing as I dont need to move this, I'm ok with having to supply bats
03:45:09: .......kcbanner:not styrofoam just that foam injector stuff
03:45:23: ......rue_house:hahahaha
03:46:09: .......kcbanner:this annoys me because i know the server wont catch fire but what if it did
03:46:09: ......rue_house:didn't evencarv it :/
03:46:09: ..........Tom_L:deep cycle batts work for it?
03:46:23: .......kcbanner:I want to leave it on all day
03:46:27: ......rue_house:oh I'll feed it whatever I can find
03:46:55: ......rue_house:its as upgradable as a compaq!
03:47:38: ..........Tom_L:yeah right
03:48:15: ..........Tom_L:rue
03:48:43: ..........Tom_L:what was that file you had rif put on that card?
03:49:40: .......kcbanner:I cant wait to get my avr USB board setup
03:49:49: .......kcbanner:super fast program downloads with a USB bootloader
03:49:49: .......kcbanner:woot
03:49:59: .......kcbanner:no parallel port cables also
03:50:06: .......kcbanner:seeing as I dont have a parallel port on thsi box
03:50:33: ..........Tom_L:what were you working on again?
03:50:40: ..........Tom_L:i sorta remember
03:51:39: .......kcbanner:Its proto board for the atmega8
03:51:49: .......kcbanner:but the thing is, I'm making differnt modules for it
03:51:56: ..........Tom_L:ok
03:52:08: .......kcbanner:so the main board has headers for all the ports, power, and a crystal
03:52:14: .......kcbanner:and USB connector
03:52:27: .......kcbanner:and I have a motor control module based on the l293D
03:52:29: ......rue_house:Tom_L, its a file with hex numbers that take up 255 bytes and the number is the position of the first character it ocupies
03:53:00: .......kcbanner:I can just run a cable between say portA on the protobaord and the header on the motor board
03:53:06: .......kcbanner:so I can add different sensors easily
03:53:21: ......rue_house:kcbanner, sounds like a babyboard
03:53:29: ..........Tom_L:yeah kina
03:54:00: ......rue_house:its basically a life supportbaord for an avr, with a bunch of handy connectors on it
03:54:01: .......kcbanner:just looked it up loks neat
03:54:08: .......kcbanner:rue_house, yeah thats kinda my idea
03:54:21: .......kcbanner:I was thinking maybe a long 20x2 pin connector
03:54:25: .......kcbanner:with all ground on one side
03:54:30: ......rue_house:I have a design slated fora mega8, but havn't finished it yet
03:54:35: .......kcbanner:but I decided to do seperte headers for the porst
03:54:40: .......kcbanner:I can post the eagle files if you want
03:54:56: ......rue_house:I have 30 individual ports
03:55:04: ......rue_house:each has gnd and +
03:55:23: .......kcbanner:so a 3 row connector with + - and IO
03:55:30: ......rue_house:yup
03:55:39: .......kcbanner:yeah my OOPic-R board had that
03:55:41: ..........Tom_L:that's how this 68332 board i have is
03:55:45: ......rue_house:wired so you can plug in a servo
03:55:55: .......kcbanner:rue_house, yeah the OOPic is like that too
03:56:25: .......kcbanner:I might make a "breakout board" where I would hook porta/b/c on the avr board to a connector like that for servos
03:56:41: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/avr/babyboard_mk3/babyboard_III.html
03:57:12: ......rue_house:I have over a dozen different io boards that you can just jumper in
03:57:32: .......kcbanner:wow nice
03:57:33: ......rue_house:most everything can be fed over power from those connectors
03:57:37: .......kcbanner:are they posted somwhere?
03:57:45: ......rue_house:no :/
03:57:52: ......rue_house:its something I should do
03:58:05: .......kcbanner:we could make an ultimate avr proto system
03:58:07: .......kcbanner:modular system
03:58:08: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/avr/babyboard_mk1/babyboard1-1.jpg
03:58:13: ......rue_house:thats the 'small' one
03:58:17: .......kcbanner:yeah I saw that one
03:58:24: .......kcbanner:I think I have some atinys here somwhere
03:58:30: ......rue_house:and I have a small-medium one that uses a tiny26
03:58:32: .......kcbanner:I gotta make another order from digikey soon
03:58:44: .......kcbanner:I've only really used mega8's so far
03:58:55: ......rue_house:the large-medium one will use a mega8
03:59:13: .......kcbanner:would be cool to use the USB bootloader
03:59:20: .......kcbanner:no nasty programming headers
03:59:57: ......rue_house:babyboard1 tiny13, babyboardIIm tiny26, babyboardIIL mega8, and babyboard III mega32
04:01:04: .......kcbanner:is there a page for the mega8 one
04:01:06: ..DammitCoetzee:wow
04:01:15: ......rue_house:no its not made yet
04:01:16: ..DammitCoetzee:I <3 the babyboardIII page
04:01:21: ..DammitCoetzee:it actually explains
04:01:26: ..DammitCoetzee:what the jumpers are and do
04:01:28: .......kcbanner:maybe I'll order some sweet 90 degree connectors and headers
04:01:33: ......rue_house:it was a little too long for what I was building and I used a tiny26
04:01:35: .......kcbanner:then you can plug things on the sides
04:01:45: .......kcbanner:rue_house, you made the babyboards?
04:01:59: ......rue_house:yup
04:02:03: .......kcbanner:oh nice :D
04:02:09: ......rue_house:the babyboard IIm is featured in...
04:02:28: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/robots/sumobot/dscn7709.jpg
04:02:30: .......kcbanner:I want to get a robot up and runnign to play with programming the mega8
04:02:35: ......rue_house:thats the babyboard II
04:02:39: ......rue_house:there is no page for it
04:02:44: .......kcbanner:I have made some nice bots with the OOPic-R
04:02:55: .......kcbanner:nice encoders ;D
04:03:00: ......rue_house:hah
04:03:11: ......rue_house:ds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/robots/sumobot/dscn7710.jpg
04:03:16: ......rue_house:top is a control panel module
04:03:30: .......kcbanner:line follower? Sumo?
04:03:33: ......rue_house:left is a low voltage dual motor driver module
04:03:36: ......rue_house:sumo
04:03:38: .......kcbanner:nice
04:03:47: .......kcbanner:I read a sweet page, on using optical mice as sensors for sumos
04:03:48: .......kcbanner:let me find it
04:04:00: ......rue_house:and you can just make out the trippe opto module under hte control panel
04:04:12: ......rue_house:tripple
04:04:14: ..........simon:what's a sumo?
04:04:24: .......kcbanner:http://imakeprojects.com/projects/seeing-eye-mouse/
04:04:26: ......rue_house:two bots that push each other out of a ring
04:04:27: .......kcbanner:scroll down to the video
04:04:36: .......kcbanner:I've built my share of sumos
04:04:43: ..........simon:ah, funny
04:04:47: ..........simon:we should make those here.
04:05:02: .......kcbanner:I;ve got the the WCRG a couple times
04:05:14: .......kcbanner:western canadian robot games
04:05:18: .......kcbanner:in calgary
04:05:23: ......rue_house:erm
04:05:24: ......rue_house:but
04:05:33: ..........simon:rue_house, what are all the buttons for?
04:05:33: ..........Tom_L:http://members.cox.net/tlight9/sumo_new.shtml
04:05:36: ......rue_house:those sensors have quadrature outputs
04:05:59: ......rue_house:simon, I just needed a go button, the panel has 4 leds/4 buttons
04:06:05: ..........simon:how do sumos usually sense each other?
04:06:06: ......rue_house:I just slapped on a panel
04:06:13: ......rue_house::)
04:06:18: ......rue_house:ir rangers
04:06:25: ......rue_house:I dont think I had put it on there yet
04:06:46: .......kcbanner:I had one with ir rangers
04:06:52: .......kcbanner:that used the 38khz sensors
04:06:57: ..........Tom_L:you know hylands?
04:06:58: ......rue_house:yup
04:06:59: .......kcbanner:I think thats the right khz
04:07:02: ..........simon:Tom_L, "stealth"?
04:07:08: .......kcbanner:Tom_L, I've lost to hylands i think :P
04:07:12: ......rue_house:I thinkI have met him yea
04:07:20: ..........Tom_L:both Dave and Jon
04:07:25: ..........Tom_L:have sumos
04:07:26: .......kcbanner:Dave I met
04:07:39: ......rue_house:he was at the vrc meeting iirc
04:07:44: ..........Tom_L:they have some cool stuff
04:07:50: ......rue_house:kcbanner, where are you?
04:07:56: .......kcbanner:in wester BC, Canada
04:08:06: ......rue_house:heh
04:08:09: ..........Tom_L:neighbors
04:08:09: .......kcbanner:small town I have to wait a long time for parts :(
04:08:14: ......rue_house:I'm in "gibsons"
04:08:23: .......kcbanner:rue_house, I've been there
04:08:24: .......kcbanner:nice plce
04:08:30: ......rue_house:huh
04:09:08: ......rue_house:so I wonder if I will be able to show you all my shop when I move in wihout having to kill you
04:09:36: ..........simon:wow, rue is offering not to kill you. that's a sign of deep respect.
04:09:36: .......kcbanner:will it have 8 sub basements
04:09:53: .......kcbanner:and a stargate at the bottem?
04:10:01: ..DammitCoetzee:nerds!
04:10:09: ......rue_house:well, I'm low on budget
04:10:25: ......rue_house:I'm about to start towards -$5000
04:10:30: ..........simon:DammitCoetzee, If I had a nickle...
04:10:43: .......kcbanner:DammitCoetzee, lol...bad place to say that
04:10:49: ......rue_house:DammitCoetzee, seen my new shop?
04:10:50: .......kcbanner:
ACTION starts an angry mob

04:11:11: ......rue_house:I got a UPS for the whole house today, I'm not angry
04:11:20: ......rue_house:I also got two walls up
04:11:21: ..DammitCoetzee:rue_house, nope
04:11:26: ......rue_house:twoce as meany as yesterday
04:11:39: ..........simon:rue, how powerful is it?
04:11:39: ......rue_house:then again, I had kb1canobe to lift the walls up for me
04:11:44: ......rue_house:4Kw
04:12:16: ......rue_house:!assist shop DammitCoetzee, thats my new shop
04:12:19: .......kcbanner:rue_house, you have a robotics club in gibson? :p
04:12:23: ..........simon:er. how much effect then? (trying to get these measurements straight)
04:12:24: ......rue_house:hahaha
04:12:27: ......rue_house:no
04:12:41: ......rue_house:hu?
04:12:50: ..........simon:just wondering how long it'll power up your house. :-)
04:13:08: .......kcbanner:yeah I'd say I'm the only one in my town who knows about robotics
04:13:09: .......kcbanner:well
04:13:09: ......rue_house:depends if I can find a 10hp diesel
04:13:17: ......rue_house:simon, I need to make a battery bank for it
04:13:25: .......kcbanner:at school I am know for "building robots"
04:13:29: ......rue_house:kcbanner, haha, sounds like me
04:13:35: ..........Tom_L:and a windmill for the battery bank
04:13:39: ..........Tom_L::)
04:13:40: .......kcbanner:your age?
04:13:42: .......kcbanner:16 here
04:13:49: ......rue_house:yea, it was a windy day today to
04:13:51: ......rue_house:kcbanner, 150
04:14:02: ..........simon:(just count your ages is hexadecimals and they'll seem smaller)
04:14:08: ......rue_house:if you find out different, I'd have to kill you
04:14:22: ..........Tom_L:geesh you're hostile tonite
04:14:29: ......rue_house:no....
04:14:30: ..DammitCoetzee:at school i am now as DammitCoetzee. and This is broken can you fix it?
04:14:36: ..DammitCoetzee:known*
04:14:40: ..........simon:Tom_L, I'm sure other secret agents don't mean it personally either.
04:14:46: ......rue_house:haha
04:15:06: ..........simon:DammitCoetzee, hah
04:15:18: ..........simon:I'm mostly known as Will you make my website?
04:15:24: .......kcbanner:I'll send my walking robot for you
04:15:28: ..........simon:and Can you hack his computer?
04:15:35: .......kcbanner:It will take approximately 2 years to walk there
04:16:04: .......kcbanner:and I have to run an air/power tether to it from my house
04:16:24: ..........simon:kcbanner, maybe you'll have to modify its power supply and resistance to bad weather.
04:16:27: .......kcbanner:hmm I dont think its cost effective
04:16:49: .......kcbanner:simon, I'll encase it in a block of epoxy, and it can slam against the inside to move
04:17:32: ..........simon:kcbanner, I'm sure that won't take longer.
04:18:28: ..........simon:do any of the sumo leagues attempt to stealth their robot using special materials, or is that just too expensive?
04:19:41: .......kcbanner:stealth? Like from IR
04:19:45: .......kcbanner:Tin foil haT!!
04:19:59: .......kcbanner:Actually in the rules I dont think your allowed to jam IR
04:20:11: ..........Tom_L:later guys..
04:20:20: .Triffid_Hunter:passive stealth doesn't jam
04:20:26: .Triffid_Hunter:it simply doesn't reflect
04:20:34: ...katsmeow-afk:RUE
04:20:39: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, ah
04:20:49: .......kcbanner:crumpled tin foil might work too
04:20:52: .Triffid_Hunter:would be interesting to coat a 'bot in sound deadening, black to IR material and see what happens
04:21:24: .......kcbanner:When i try to tell people at school about my robots they say I should build roobts with giant claws to kill people
04:21:40: .......kcbanner:The stupidity is astounding
04:21:59: .Triffid_Hunter:the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits ;)
04:22:12: ..........simon:
ACTION is still thinking about implementing giant claws to kill people.

04:27:32: ...katsmeow-afk:RUE
04:31:10: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, say "rue_house"
04:32:23: ...katsmeow-afk:rue_house
04:32:36: ...katsmeow-afk:are those the magic words?
04:32:48: .......kcbanner:yes your must also click your heels
04:33:56: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION does so

04:36:09: ...katsmeow-afk:now what happens?
04:36:24: .......kcbanner:we wait
04:36:36: .......kcbanner:he has to decide if we are worth
04:36:37: ...katsmeow-afk:but i wa doing that first
04:36:39: .......kcbanner:of his presence
04:36:44: ...katsmeow-afk:oh :-(
04:36:47: .......kcbanner:worthy *
04:36:52: .......kcbanner:yeah its a lengthy process
04:36:54: ...katsmeow-afk:well, shoots that down
04:49:08: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION sits around and gets drunk

04:50:47: .......kcbanner:
ACTION goes back to hes social studies homework :(

04:51:00: .......kcbanner:99 long answer questions
04:51:00: .......kcbanner:woohoo
04:52:53: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wonders how he will program the uSB bootloader onto the avr without a paralell port

04:53:13: .......kcbanner:I guess I'll use my router
05:00:09: .......kcbanner:I also discovered the hard way that one of my parallel port cables had only a few cables connected on each end
05:00:12: .......kcbanner:I guess it was a serial cable
05:01:05: .........Casper:hehehe
05:01:41: .......kcbanner:I was like WTF???! and got out my meter
05:01:45: .......kcbanner:and just a couple wires were connected
05:01:51: .........Casper:I bet only 9
05:01:55: ........Tom_afk:Rifraf...
05:01:57: ...katsmeow-afk:or less
05:02:01: .......kcbanner:it was less
05:02:03: .........RifRaf:Tom_afk
05:02:06: .......kcbanner:I was rather dissapointed
05:02:11: ........Tom_afk:i modified the header for the mmc lib
05:02:22: .........RifRaf:to get rid pof the warning?
05:02:32: ........Tom_afk:it was lacking some stuff that might be needed
05:02:37: .........RifRaf:about multiline coments?
05:02:40: ........Tom_afk:i haven't compiled it
05:02:41: .........RifRaf:oh cool
05:02:50: .........RifRaf:why not?
05:02:51: ........Tom_afk:but i have some pic code i'm comparing it to
05:03:08: ........Tom_afk:i'm not sure i agree with how the avr is initializing the mmc
05:03:20: ........Tom_afk:i need to research a bit more
05:03:33: .........RifRaf:with MMCreset
05:03:37: ........Tom_afk:if you wanna look at the pic code to compare it you're welcome to
05:03:40: .......kcbanner:
ACTION Needs to find a good place to relearn avr C

05:03:45: .......kcbanner:I haven't done it in awhile
05:03:48: .........RifRaf:the function that happs when you press i in mmctest.c
05:03:51: .......kcbanner:there needs to be perl for avrs x.x :p
05:03:57: ........Tom_afk:yes
05:04:06: ........Tom_afk:well, maybe
05:04:06: .........RifRaf:need to add that to the avr setup
05:04:31: ........Tom_afk:also...
05:04:45: ........Tom_afk:#define MMC_DEBUG 1
05:05:00: ........Tom_afk:and it will print more shit for you to wonder about
05:05:02: .......kcbanner:Anyone have a good tutorial on avr-gcc
05:05:03: .........RifRaf:ok wanna see if your stuff compiles then send it?
05:05:08: ........Tom_afk:no
05:05:11: ........Tom_afk:i'm goin to bed
05:05:11: .......kcbanner:I have used codevision, which works well under wine
05:05:14: .........RifRaf:k
05:05:22: ........Tom_afk:i'll work on it tomorrow
05:05:23: .........RifRaf:i'll work with wat i have for now then
05:05:28: .........RifRaf:and add that define
05:05:32: .......kcbanner:but I would like to do a pure linux environment
05:05:39: .........RifRaf:i am home now, gonna work on it
05:05:40: ........Tom_afk:i was just goin over the data sheet and lookin at the lib code
05:05:45: .........RifRaf:k
05:06:15: .........Casper:
ACTION wondewrs when my uncle will bring back the dremel

05:06:20: ........Tom_afk:i'm not sure it's gettin init properly
05:06:34: ........Tom_afk:casper... count it as lost forever
05:06:37: .........RifRaf:yep, gonna remove watever i don';t need till i can get it goin
05:06:42: .........Casper:Tom_afk: yup
05:06:54: .........Casper:I was bright enought to keep here some of the stuff
05:06:59: .........RifRaf:i gave a friends dremel back after 8 months, so there may be hope
05:07:05: ........Tom_afk:did the first sample code work ok?
05:07:07: .........Casper:like a stone and my cutting wheels...
05:07:19: ........Tom_afk:or was it iffy too?
05:07:19: .........RifRaf:Tom_afk geez, yes it did
05:07:35: ........Tom_afk:what did you change?
05:07:44: .........RifRaf:thats wat we were using, yeah we had the freezing up reading but since i removed resistors has been good
05:07:52: ........Tom_afk:ok
05:08:22: ........Tom_afk:but.. linux prolly init'd the card or at least over wrote any sector data there
05:08:36: ........Tom_afk:by default it's formatted like a harddrive
05:08:42: .........RifRaf:thats why i am trying to recreate that code inside dataloggerMMC.c
05:08:50: ........Tom_afk:with partition info etc in the first sector
05:08:58: .......kcbanner:I love my dremel
05:09:03: .........RifRaf:Tom_afk the mmc does not mount on linux anymore when i plug it in
05:09:07: .......kcbanner:I got the drill press and some sweet carbide bits
05:09:15: .........RifRaf:pretty sure zeroing the drive fixed that
05:09:18: ........Tom_afk:well he overwrote it
05:09:27: .........RifRaf:ye i did
05:09:29: ........Tom_afk:win would put it bak though
05:09:34: ........Tom_afk:prolly
05:09:35: .........RifRaf:ah ok
05:09:37: .........Casper:I have a press drill so the dremel is a bit less of a loss now
05:09:43: .........RifRaf:not putting it back into windows box yet
05:09:48: ........Tom_afk:not sure that's what you want for this though
05:09:53: .........RifRaf:dremel drill presses are gay
05:09:56: ........Tom_afk:no, wait a while
05:09:57: .......kcbanner:The dremel comes in handy thogh, 30k rpm makes those small holes fast
05:10:09: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, they are not
05:10:12: ........Tom_afk:lemme send you this pic code to look over
05:10:15: .........RifRaf:considering they cost more that a real dril press and can work on 1/10 of the stuff
05:10:18: ........Tom_afk:just for comparison
05:10:26: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, mine was 40$
05:10:30: .........RifRaf:ok Tom_afk, just this once
05:10:37: .........RifRaf:kc with the dremel?
05:10:38: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, canadian dolla!
05:10:46: ........Tom_afk:prolly works better than this crap
05:10:47: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, no the dremel was seperate
05:10:53: .........RifRaf:my drill press was $68AU
05:10:59: .........RifRaf:about $40 can probly
05:11:18: .......kcbanner:dremel comes in handy to cut pcbs too
05:11:25: .........RifRaf:so does a hacksaw
05:11:35: .........RifRaf:i saw the nice mess a dremel makes to pcbs
05:11:46: .........RifRaf:hey capser
05:11:48: ..........Tom_L:compare the init stuff
05:12:04: .........RifRaf:yep will do
05:12:22: ..........Tom_L:see i can test both codes soon...
05:13:08: .........RifRaf:kcbanner its ok, i understand you have probly got progressed from the dremel stage yet, you wait till you discover real tools
05:13:11: ..........Tom_L:slave to master spi lags behind by a byte
05:13:22: ..........Tom_L:if i recall
05:13:38: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, I have other tools but I dont ahve a full size drillpress
05:13:47: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, I also couldn't find my hacksaw :P
05:13:53: .........RifRaf:its one of my most used tools
05:14:11: .......kcbanner:I should go buy a nice hacksaw with sharp blades
05:14:21: .........RifRaf:yes, get swedish bimetal blades
05:14:31: .........RifRaf:only ones worth paying for
05:14:33: ...katsmeow-afk:save money, buy just the blades, several asorted teeth and things
05:14:38: .......kcbanner:do I need to meet shady people in allys to get those?
05:14:45: .........RifRaf:no just a decent tool shop
05:14:49: ........Tom_afk:nite..
05:14:55: .........RifRaf:cya Tom_afk
05:14:55: .......kcbanner:I wonder if canadian tire has them
05:14:57: .......kcbanner:probably not
05:14:58: .......kcbanner:its all crap there
05:15:17: ...katsmeow-afk:you can make the blade holder/saw yourself
05:15:24: .........RifRaf:surely you have tradesmen that still need decent tools
05:15:31: ...katsmeow-afk:LOL
05:15:36: ...katsmeow-afk:oh, wait,he is in Canada
05:15:38: .........RifRaf:must be a place somewhere
05:15:39: ...katsmeow-afk:maybe so
05:17:28: .......kcbanner:Yeah basicallyI just have to clean up my workbench
05:17:35: .......kcbanner:and I'll probably find all I need
05:17:36: .......kcbanner::P
05:24:20: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION tosses a partially built driller onto kcbanner's freshly cleaned bench

05:24:33: .......kcbanner:driller?
05:24:54: ...katsmeow-afk:the one i stopped finding any point to
05:25:05: .......kcbanner:by driller what do you mean
05:25:07: .......kcbanner:a pcb driller?
05:25:15: .......kcbanner:plotter style?
05:25:31: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wants to build a plotter

05:26:02: .........RifRaf:talk to rue_house
05:26:14: .........RifRaf:i have one 1/2 finished here
05:26:15: .......kcbanner:http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/11/how-to-build-your-own-cnc-machine-part-3/ << I want to built that
05:26:20: ...katsmeow-afk:rather plotterish, yeas, little vertical range, but 8.5 x 10.5 inch lateral movement
05:26:23: .......kcbanner:might not work for pcbs but for parts would be fun
05:26:30: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, nice
05:26:37: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, got pics?
05:26:45: .........RifRaf:heh
05:26:53: ...katsmeow-afk:ye, heh
05:27:17: ...katsmeow-afk:it's the wrong color, kc
05:27:39: .......kcbanner:??
05:28:21: ...katsmeow-afk:what?
05:29:14: .......kcbanner:wahts the wrong color
05:29:27: ...katsmeow-afk:the cord i used
05:30:06: .......kcbanner:so :p
05:31:32: ...katsmeow-afk:it's an outstanding offence that you could be laughed at about
05:31:52: .......kcbanner:do you have any pictures of it
05:32:03: ...katsmeow-afk:sure, but i deleted everything online
05:32:14: .......kcbanner:heh
05:32:16: .......kcbanner:rue_house, you there?
05:32:50: ...........fenn:i got the box of 100 hacksaw blades from HF, they stand up just as well as the fancy ones from the mom+pop hardware store
05:32:52: ...katsmeow-afk:only rue and fenn will be subjected to these pics, and if they laugh i won't show them again either
05:33:04: ...........fenn:mwahahahahaha
05:33:16: ...........fenn:oops
05:33:20: ...........fenn:i couldnt help myself
05:33:24: ...katsmeow-afk:k
05:33:25: ...........fenn:mss you know
05:33:30: ...........fenn:(mad scientist syndrome)
05:34:18: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, aw come on i wont laugh
05:34:31: ...katsmeow-afk:well, i was proud of the the last pics, considering the tools i had to make the part, and i feel like i got run thru with a small guage sword, perhaps a rapier
05:34:52: ...........fenn:did you get run through with a rapier?
05:34:54: .......kcbanner:You guys hurt his pride
05:35:03: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, I'm sure it was a very nice driller
05:35:05: ........ace4016:her*
05:35:07: .......kcbanner:can I see it now ;P
05:35:16: ...katsmeow-afk:"his" ?
05:35:39: ...........fenn:lets all just type in finnish and use the gender-neutral pronoun for everything
05:35:40: ...katsmeow-afk:it's not worth it, really, fenn and ace don't value my efforts
05:35:48: ........ace4016::(
05:35:49: ...katsmeow-afk:or others
05:35:52: ........ace4016:what did i do?
05:36:08: ...........fenn:ace4016: what did you do?!!
05:36:26: ........ace4016:nothing, i swear it!
05:36:31: ...katsmeow-afk:same as fenn, didn't show interest in a sollution to possible problems you may have eventually
05:37:15: ...........fenn:
ACTION shrugs

05:37:40: ........ace4016:i don't know what's going on...but oh well i guess :/
05:37:42: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wants to build a plotter but first he needs to see katsmeow-afk

05:37:43: ...........fenn:you made some sort of flex coupling, and removed the pics before i had a chance to see it
05:37:51: .......kcbanner:the plotter katsmeow-afk made
05:37:58: ...........fenn:what am i supposed to do, grovel at your feet for pics of your magnificent coupling?
05:38:09: ...katsmeow-afk:fenn, yeas
05:38:10: .......kcbanner:fenn, yes I think thats what you might have to do
05:38:20: ...katsmeow-afk:</joke>
05:38:48: ........ace4016:
ACTION feels like he got hit in the corssfire :/

05:39:00: ...........fenn:same here
05:39:01: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION feels like she got hit in the gut

05:40:08: ..DammitCoetzee:aha! a she! that explains all the unexplained insecurity! =P
05:40:40: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION laughs derisively at Coetzee

05:40:46: ...........fenn:thanks for making the situation worse, dude
05:40:48: ...katsmeow-afk:make you feel better?
05:40:49: ..DammitCoetzee:lol
05:41:15: ..DammitCoetzee:
ACTION was hoping a gender base joke would make her angry enough to show the pic of the universal joint

05:41:36: ...katsmeow-afk:sorry, i am the first to say i am not normal, proudly
05:41:49: ..DammitCoetzee:you're in a robotics channel
05:42:15: ...katsmeow-afk:says it all, eh?
05:42:23: ..DammitCoetzee:it should
05:42:58: .......kcbanner:I WANT PICS
05:42:59: .......kcbanner:rawr
05:43:07: ...katsmeow-afk:<blink>
05:43:16: ...katsmeow-afk:you rawr'd?
05:43:19: .......kcbanner:
ACTION *coughs*

05:43:50: ..DammitCoetzee:robot geeks are weird... i mean comon. every other channel people are trying to get pics of chicks naked. we just want to see what you built
05:44:19: ..DammitCoetzee:but yea
05:44:48: ..DammitCoetzee:universal joints cost 20+$ at the rc stores
05:44:52: ..DammitCoetzee:you should share
05:45:36: ..DammitCoetzee:....
05:45:47: ..DammitCoetzee:
ACTION walks off

05:46:05: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, pleasy
05:46:32: .......kcbanner:I have a movie of my walking robot
05:46:38: .......kcbanner:but maybe I'll just delete it
05:47:15: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, just pm me the link I wont tell the infidels
05:47:21: ..DammitCoetzee:infidels?
05:47:25: ...katsmeow-afk:this cost me two wingnuts and 4 inches of cord
05:47:40: ..DammitCoetzee:cool
05:48:04: .......kcbanner:DammitCoetzee, (we may have pics soon, lets hope she cant read in parenthesis)
05:48:38: ...katsmeow-afk:kc, why did you say only "DammitCoetzee, " ?
05:48:47: ..DammitCoetzee:kcbanner, (indeed)
05:48:54: ...katsmeow-afk:<blink>
05:48:56: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, because he was wondering why I said infidels
05:49:03: ...katsmeow-afk:o
05:49:45: ...wildmage|lab:(how can someone not read in parantheses?)
05:50:06: ........ace4016:(not sure, but it looks like IRC loud whispering)
05:50:11: ..DammitCoetzee:wildmage|bbl, (the flying spaghetti monster makes it so with his noodly magic)
05:50:13: .........RifRaf:(its a silly joke i think)
05:50:28: .......kcbanner:(it was a joke)
05:50:33: ...wildmage|lab:(haha)
05:50:53: .......kcbanner:(i feel like were huddled in a circle)
05:50:58: ..DammitCoetzee:(so do i)
05:51:10: ...wildmage|lab:so I'm prepping my sub for a deep dive
05:51:11: ...katsmeow-afk:why aren't you guys saying anything?
05:51:26: ...wildmage|lab:katsmeow-afk, are you serious?
05:51:29: .........RifRaf:wildmage|bbl how deep is deep?
05:51:37: ...wildmage|lab:about 100m I think
05:51:42: .........RifRaf:deep
05:51:46: ........ace4016:what sub? and what are you building/what did you build katsmeow-afk?
05:51:47: ...wildmage|lab:we just want to validate our system
05:51:47: ..DammitCoetzee:(i told you his noodliness would make the parenthesis invisible)
05:51:49: ...wildmage|lab:maek sure it doesn't die
05:51:53: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, shaun connery shays, shink the shumbarine!
05:52:08: ...wildmage|lab:maybe just 10m to start off
05:52:17: ...wildmage|lab:although, we need a cord that goes that long
05:52:24: ...wildmage|lab:not sure if fishing line is up to the task :)
05:52:25: ...katsmeow-afk:http://206.113.66.9/coupler/coupling.html
05:52:28: .........RifRaf:buy 100 meters of cat5
05:52:31: .........RifRaf:or string
05:52:43: .........RifRaf:quick quick look at the picture
05:52:46: ..DammitCoetzee:wildmage|bbl, you get that dep sea fishing line, that should be up to the task
05:52:58: ...wildmage|lab:DammitCoetzee, how much tension can they take?
05:53:11: ......rue_house:kcbanner, well plans, no
05:53:28: ......rue_house:but I have all the photos of how to make one and almost all for atmega32 code
05:53:37: ......rue_house:haha
05:53:42: ......rue_house:that sounds funny
05:54:02: ..DammitCoetzee:katsmeow-afk, is that for a cnc?
05:54:11: ...katsmeow-afk:yeas
05:54:12: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, thats awesome
05:54:14: ......rue_house:"DammitCoetzee, how much tension can they take?" <- me pictures him with a torque wrench w/15' cheater
05:54:23: ...wildmage|lab:katsmeow-afk, nifty hack
05:54:40: ..DammitCoetzee:what kind of backlash do you get with that
05:54:42: ...katsmeow-afk:considering the tools i had to make it, i thought so too, wild
05:55:00: ...katsmeow-afk:DammitCoetzee, none, the cord is very tight
05:55:05: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, got any pics of the whole machine?
05:55:14: ...katsmeow-afk:kc, not online anymore
05:55:42: .......kcbanner:ah ok
05:56:11: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, I noticed an AI link on your page. Did you do some AI stuff?
05:56:33: ...katsmeow-afk:not much anymore
05:57:14: ...katsmeow-afk:there's no money in it, and i resent the bashing i take for it, which is why the other pics are offline too
05:57:50: ...katsmeow-afk:why i deleted my Ai code
05:58:07: ...katsmeow-afk:why i haven't written anything new in years
05:58:20: ........ace4016:bashing? for writing AI?
05:58:38: ...katsmeow-afk:the only nlp i still have is like 10 yrs old and written in mirc
05:58:54: .......kcbanner:I was trying to set up a maze solver in perl using neural nets
05:59:00: .......kcbanner:but I dont know if I'll do it
05:59:42: ........ace4016:oh wait...
05:59:47: ...katsmeow-afk:i was tying the nlp into a datamanager and server, so the nlp could betetr disambiguate thngs
06:00:09: ...katsmeow-afk:but ,, well, why do it if it's not wanted or needed?
06:00:42: ..DammitCoetzee:because it's fun
06:00:58: ..DammitCoetzee:because you learn something because you want to
06:01:24: ...katsmeow-afk:i learned i don't want anything that smells like human around me irl, considering how i actually get treated by them
06:02:09: ........ace4016:
ACTION wonders where that shaft coupling part is in the main drill press...

06:02:11: ...katsmeow-afk:so a Ai that spoke english became a bad taste in my mouth
06:02:31: ..DammitCoetzee:yay
06:02:32: ...katsmeow-afk:ace, couples the steppers to the xy table drive shafts
06:02:36: ..DammitCoetzee:v for vendetta
06:02:39: ..DammitCoetzee:bbl
06:04:24: ........ace4016:ah; not sure exactly where that is, but works for me (i'm guessing the xy table is the table the pieces being worked on are on?)
06:04:36: ...katsmeow-afk:yeas, you saw the device before
06:05:49: ...katsmeow-afk:the point is, it's an extremely cheap and easy way to make a zero friction/backlash coupling tween any shafts for normal *small* steppers to drive threaded rod for cnc
06:06:06: ...katsmeow-afk:wing nuts come in many sizes, and you can make your own
06:06:14: ........ace4016:yea; only used it...never actually; back in HS, the woodshop teacher didn't trust anyone using the drillpress other then his senior students...which i though was silly
06:06:40: ...........fenn:that's retarded
06:07:02: ...........fenn:they'll let you jam your clumsy mitts towards a spinning saw blade but not use a drill press??
06:08:06: ........ace4016:yea...that's public schools for you; haven't really been to a machine shop since....guess the eng college has one...just never had any projects (until now) that needed a shop
06:08:20: ...........fenn:well good luck getting access to it
06:08:48: ...........fenn:schools are really paranoid about letting students use their precious facilities
06:09:03: ........ace4016:heh, as long as a lab isn't going on, it's not that hard
06:09:17: ...........fenn:well that hasn't been my experience
06:09:20: ........ace4016:well...for the MEs atleast...
06:11:11: ........ace4016:fenn, not even for group projects for student oranizations belonging to the college?
06:11:39: .........RifRaf:yay
06:11:42: ........ace4016:katsmeow-afk, btw, how big is the machine going to be?
06:11:53: .........RifRaf:mmc code starting to work
06:13:04: ...katsmeow-afk:ALUMINUM DISC MEMBRANE
06:13:05: ...katsmeow-afk:The membrane, or disc coupling is similar in nature to the bellows coupling in that it is torsionally stiff and also offers near infinite life as a zero backlash design. High speeds (up to 25,000 rpm) can be attained by this design. In fact, the membrane coupling offers the highest speed and highest torque capacity among the zero backlash range.
06:13:42: ...katsmeow-afk:it will drill or edge route a 8.5 x 10.5 inch pcb
06:14:49: ...........fenn:ace4016: yes of course you will have better luck if you talk to the boss of whoever runs the shop first
06:15:14: ...........fenn:present it in proper official terms
06:15:20: ...katsmeow-afk:mine is an open "membrane" of one cord
06:15:58: .......kcbanner:I want to build a cnc that can do PCBs. I'm thinking of buying plans for one
06:16:24: ........ace4016:that's cool katsmeow-afk
06:16:37: .......kcbanner:maybe from here http://www.crankorgan.com/
06:16:41: .......kcbanner:I might build the "brute"
06:16:54: ...katsmeow-afk:why buy plans?
06:16:56: ........ace4016:fenn, yea, we'll figure out a way to get in there...or have to wing it :/
06:16:56: .......kcbanner:http://www.crankorgan.com/brute.htm
06:17:01: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, beacuse I cant find decent once
06:17:06: ...katsmeow-afk:make one
06:17:06: ...........fenn:plans are dumb
06:17:09: ...katsmeow-afk:i have no plans
06:17:31: .......kcbanner:hmm. I dont really know the basic principles though
06:17:32: ...........fenn:go to cnczone.com and start looking at member's pictures
06:17:39: .......kcbanner:well I know x-y table steppers etc
06:17:42: ........ace4016:kcbanner, you can learn them :)
06:17:44: .......kcbanner:but how to actually make it
06:17:54: ...katsmeow-afk:http://www.crankorgan.com/brute.htm is 404 here
06:17:56: ...........fenn:what is the intended use, first of all?
06:18:07: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, hmm works perfect for me
06:18:17: .......kcbanner:fenn, milling pcbs and maybe doing parts for bots
06:18:30: ...........fenn:parts made of what
06:18:35: .......kcbanner:plastic
06:18:37: ...katsmeow-afk:mine is pretty much *only* for pcbs, or equally thin small drill templates
06:18:41: .......kcbanner:or soft metal
06:18:57: ...........fenn:i think making one only for pcb's is a better idea
06:19:07: .......kcbanner:probably right
06:19:12: ...katsmeow-afk:oh man, that brute uses the smallest dremel i have ever seen
06:19:20: ...........fenn:pcb requires extremely high repeatability and practically zero rigidity and power
06:19:23: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, thats the standard dremel
06:19:34: .......kcbanner:fenn,I know , thats why I wanted to buy some plans
06:19:35: ...........fenn:even plastic requires a lot of rigidity to cut
06:19:38: .......kcbanner:or "obtain" them
06:19:42: ...katsmeow-afk:oh,, i went with a spiral zip saw/router thing
06:19:57: ...........fenn:kcbanner: whoever is writing plans is going to lie to you about the capabilities in order to sell their plans
06:20:04: .......kcbanner:http://www.crankorgan.com/hawk.htm says you can build the mill for 75$
06:20:16: ...........fenn:yeah right
06:20:23: ........^Kilroy: with 1/8" accuracy maybe
06:20:53: ...........fenn:add another $100 for steppers, controller, and power supply
06:20:56: .........RifRaf:can someone help please. i can fill a buffer with 20 chars like this... u08 mystring[20] = "01234567890123456789";
06:21:05: .......kcbanner:fenn, your right
06:21:15: .......kcbanner:so normaly the XY is done with a worm drive right
06:21:20: ........^Kilroy:only $100 for steppers, i want your source..
06:21:22: .........RifRaf:but i want the string to be a bunch of variables
06:21:27: .......kcbanner:like a nut on the platform and a motor turns a screw
06:21:37: ...katsmeow-afk:mine is 2x2 inch tube steel for the main frame, i don't see how they would get such claimed accuracy with such light construction
06:21:40: .........RifRaf:like [<V>588</V><I>61</I><R>0</R><S>0</S><M>0<M><D
06:21:51: ...........fenn:^Kilroy: its a small machine, there are lots of hobby electronics places that sell them
06:21:54: .........RifRaf:well the values of the variables
06:22:18: ........^Kilroy:fenn ahh, ok. I was thinking of the ones you should use on that brute machine..lol
06:22:48: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wonders if he can build a cnc with modified servos

06:22:58: ........^Kilroy:yup
06:23:01: ...........fenn:no
06:23:09: ........^Kilroy:just different controllers and feedback is recommended
06:23:15: ...........fenn:not r/c servos
06:23:23: ........ace4016:RifRaf, deliminate the numbers in the string?
06:23:32: ........^Kilroy:ohh,definately not rc servos
06:23:37: .......kcbanner:oh ok
06:23:38: .......kcbanner:lol
06:23:55: .........RifRaf:u08 mystring[20] = "[<V>" + volts + "</V>" + ;
06:24:01: .........RifRaf:something like that?
06:24:15: .........pepsi_:huh? you cant do that
06:24:20: .........pepsi_:you need to use strcpy or something
06:24:36: .........pepsi_:or snprintf i guess if you want to make it easy
06:24:37: ...........fenn:sprintf
06:25:00: .........RifRaf:or can i rprintf to the buffer direct maybe?
06:25:02: ........ace4016:mm, do the numbers come in a certain order?
06:25:18: .........pepsi_:rprintf sounds like some application-specific function
06:25:29: .........RifRaf:ace4016 not yet, i have about 10 variables, need to put them in a buffer so i can write that buffer to the mmc card
06:26:32: ........ace4016:ah, so you're doing it XML-ish style do identify which is which
06:26:35: .........RifRaf:i can show you how i send the whole lot to the rs232 every few seconds
06:26:38: .........RifRaf:yep
06:26:45: .........RifRaf:the pc end wants the xml stuff
06:27:08: .........RifRaf:rprintf("[<V>%d</V><I>%d</I><R>%d</R><S>%d</S><M>%d<M><D>%d</D><T1>%d</T1><T2>%d</T2><T3>%d</T3><B>%d</B>]\r\n",volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer);
06:27:43: .........RifRaf:that outputs a string to the pc that the pc software interperates
06:27:57: ...........fenn:RifRaf: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Formatted-Output-Functions.html
06:27:57: .......kcbanner:brb moving to laptop
06:28:10: .........RifRaf:fenn will look
06:28:31: ...........fenn:i think those are in string.h
06:29:03: ........ace4016:RifRaf, does rprintf send it straight to the pc?
06:29:13: .........RifRaf:yes
06:29:23: .........RifRaf:when its directed there with this..
06:29:34: .........RifRaf:rprintfInit(uartSendByte);
06:29:46: .........RifRaf:or to rprintf to the lcd i do..
06:29:55: .........RifRaf:rprintfInit(lcdDataWrite); // direct printf output to LCD
06:30:35: .........RifRaf:i might see if there is another option for rprintfInit
06:31:33: .......kcbanner:I'm back wee
06:31:48: .......kcbanner:
ACTION begins looking for a good cad program to design a mill in

06:31:51: .........RifRaf://! Initializes the rprintf library for an output stream.
06:31:52: .........RifRaf:/// You must call this initializer once before using any other rprintf function.
06:31:52: .........RifRaf:/// The argument must be a character stream output function.
06:31:52: .........RifRaf:void rprintfInit(void (*putchar_func)(unsigned char c));
06:32:31: ........ace4016:so, what did you need again? seems like you know what you're sending
06:32:38: ........ace4016:and how to
06:32:48: .........RifRaf:sorta
06:32:53: ...........fenn:kcbanner: if you want the low-down on constructing machinery with limited equipment, i recommend getting "build a metalworking shop from scrap" series by dave gingery
06:33:10: .........RifRaf:i need to add the variables and xml info to a buffer to send write to the mmc card
06:33:17: ...........fenn:or at least the lathe book
06:33:36: ...katsmeow-afk:and the reprints of lathe books
06:33:38: ...katsmeow-afk:and millers
06:33:47: ...........fenn:
ACTION rummages around for his bookwarez collection

06:33:51: ...........fenn:reprints?
06:33:57: .........RifRaf:the buffer being u08 buffer[0x200];
06:34:06: .........RifRaf:i think its 512bytes or something
06:34:12: ...........fenn:yes
06:34:32: .........RifRaf:so i wanna fill a buffer, move 512 sectors, and write the next value there
06:34:36: ...katsmeow-afk:of the old lath books. "Bender" ?
06:34:42: .........RifRaf:i know this will just be blocks of data
06:34:50: .........RifRaf:but is something to try read on the linux box
06:34:51: ...katsmeow-afk:South Bend
06:34:55: ...........fenn:oh
06:34:57: ...........fenn:"how to run a lathe"
06:35:01: .......kcbanner:fenn, ok but I just want to make a pcb mill not a metalworking shop
06:35:01: ...katsmeow-afk:yeas
06:35:04: ...........fenn:good book that
06:35:08: ...........fenn:i think i scanned that one in too
06:35:12: ...katsmeow-afk:i wish i could get it
06:35:19: .........RifRaf:kcbanner there are much easier ways to make a pcb
06:35:35: ...katsmeow-afk:you sentme one i have not looked at yet
06:35:43: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, I dont have a laser printer
06:35:52: ...katsmeow-afk:well, yeas, you don't need a machine shop to make a pcb
06:36:04: .........RifRaf:alot cheaper than a cnc machine last time i looked for a printer
06:36:35: ...katsmeow-afk:just that i am making mine for next to nothing, and i wanna, and i have projects backed up for one
06:37:18: .........RifRaf:can i show ya how Tom_afk fills up the buffer currently
06:37:27: ...katsmeow-afk:and my drillpress won't drill a hole with a #68 bit,, or a 63, ot a 1/6 for that matter, ,, umm, even those 4-40 screw holes used only once side of the drill bit, the runout is so high
06:37:43: .........RifRaf:/* Code added to fill buffer with something */
06:37:43: .........RifRaf: int i;
06:37:43: .........RifRaf: u08 mystring[20] = "Tom_L likes goobers! ";
06:37:43: .........RifRaf: c = 0;
06:37:43: .........RifRaf: for (i=0;i<=512;i++) {
06:37:43: .........RifRaf: buffer[i] = mystring[c];
06:37:45: .........RifRaf: c++;
06:37:47: .........RifRaf: if (c > 19) { c = 0; }
06:37:50: .........RifRaf: }
06:38:12: .........RifRaf:then it fills the 512 sectors with that string, thats all i am trying to do now
06:38:18: .........RifRaf:but with real data
06:39:34: ........ace4016:will the string always hold a certain amount of data?
06:39:41: .........RifRaf:nope
06:39:41: ...katsmeow-afk:no
06:39:48: .........RifRaf:but was hoping to pad it
06:40:13: .........RifRaf:see sometimes a value is 0, or 17, or 230, or even 1003
06:40:38: ...katsmeow-afk:i'd pad the tail of the string, not the actual data
06:40:40: .........RifRaf:i can work out the maximum string size
06:40:51: .........RifRaf:yep
06:40:59: ........ace4016:yea, that's what i was seeing before and wondering if you had the amount handled and all
06:41:05: .........RifRaf:nope
06:41:33: .........RifRaf:generally the values are from 0 - 1023 i think
06:42:26: ........ace4016:i hate allocating memory :P
06:42:47: .........RifRaf:i am gonna hate it lots more than i do now then :(
06:42:58: .........RifRaf:well currently i am rather happy
06:43:10: .........RifRaf:cause i been adding code and is still outputing values
06:43:18: .........RifRaf:is initialising the mmc card now
06:43:29: ...katsmeow-afk:allocate a block of maz size, fillit with pad chars, go back to start and put in actual data, and send out the block
06:43:35: .........RifRaf:well not with an actual card, still gotta hook it up
06:43:35: ...katsmeow-afk:no need to count the pad amount
06:44:13: .........RifRaf:ok this defines the size i want u08 buffer[0x200];
06:44:24: .........RifRaf:and i think makes an empty buffer
06:45:06: ........ace4016:512
06:45:31: .........RifRaf:i don't have to even fill the buffer, just dump that string at the start of it and them move to nerxt 512 sector block
06:45:55: .........RifRaf:i know it wastes my mmc card but am starting with baby steps
06:45:59: ...katsmeow-afk:oh, no padding, just fixed sizes, ok
06:46:44: ............crm:what a stressful day
06:46:56: .........RifRaf:aw diddums
06:47:15: ...........fenn:damn damn damn.. my gingery collection is nowhere to be found
06:47:51: ............crm:im supposed to get some more work done now
06:48:01: ............crm:and its too hot
06:48:04: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION looks at crm

06:49:15: ............crm:what can i do for you maam
06:49:53: ...katsmeow-afk:i didn't know if yo saw the url
06:50:00: ...katsmeow-afk:you ask me for pics a lot, i put some up
06:50:16: ............crm:
ACTION goes looking

06:50:37: ............crm:is there anything i can say that wont be offensive?
06:51:04: .......kcbanner:crm, (dont worry, shw can read inside brackets)
06:51:04: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION looks at the floor

06:51:20: ........ace4016:hm, 512 characters sure is a lot...should hold everything for now
06:51:27: ............crm:i will just look.. with no comments
06:51:54: ............crm:hrm.. the old link doesnt work
06:52:21: ...katsmeow-afk:i gave a new one
06:52:41: ............crm:please share with me
06:52:51: ........ace4016:http://206.113.66.9/coupler/coupling.html
06:53:00: ............crm:fark.. i didnt even get to have lunch today
06:53:36: ........ace4016:is that server up only when you're on katsmeow-afk?
06:53:44: ...katsmeow-afk:no
06:53:53: ...katsmeow-afk:i should prolly clean it all off tho
06:54:02: ...katsmeow-afk:i have not looked at it in several years
06:54:26: .........RifRaf:ace4016 would you like to see the whole code?
06:55:00: .........RifRaf:i have it incrementing the 512 sectors ok, but just dumping the same buffer all the time
06:56:01: .........RifRaf:http://pastebin.ca/253036
06:56:08: .........RifRaf:thats only a bit of it
06:57:27: ........ace4016:so, for now, you're just going for 512 block
06:57:33: .........RifRaf:yep
06:57:54: .........RifRaf:is 256mb card so has 500000 odd blocks
06:58:12: ........ace4016:then you'll move on to tighter packed blocks with lots and lots of hairloss :p
06:58:22: .........RifRaf:yep :)
06:58:29: .........RifRaf:from you you tell me at least
06:59:11: .......kcbanner:katsmeow-afk, how did you make the threads in the wingnut? I always wondered how to make aproper setscrew
06:59:25: .........RifRaf:drill a hole and tap it :)
06:59:53: ........ace4016:heh, i just hate using C allocation and making systems to pack things together...the only thing is, if you create it in a modular format, it'll be easy to add any data of any size using the same functions
06:59:55: ...katsmeow-afk:exactly
07:00:06: .........RifRaf:i keep a few packets of m3 set screws and a flat bottom tap and a starting tap
07:00:34: ...katsmeow-afk:well, i had 4-40 screws on hand, you can see the one wingnut is almost too small for 4-40
07:00:40: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, tap it?
07:00:49: .........RifRaf:kcbanner indeed
07:00:51: ...katsmeow-afk:tap it yeas
07:00:55: ...katsmeow-afk:make threads
07:00:59: .......kcbanner:I dont know how to tap things ;p
07:01:05: .........RifRaf:i tap is a tool that makes a thread into a drillhole
07:01:12: .......kcbanner:ah ok
07:01:13: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: put tap in, turn slowly but firmly
07:01:21: ...katsmeow-afk:http://www.google.com/search?q=%22thread+tap%22
07:01:22: .......kcbanner:wouldn't it bind?
07:01:33: .......kcbanner:lol I guess not nvm
07:01:34: .........RifRaf:thats why you buy taps and use a tapping fluid
07:01:35: ...katsmeow-afk:it would bind constantly
07:01:40: .........RifRaf:they are made for the job
07:01:47: .......kcbanner:ok
07:01:51: .......kcbanner:thats cool
07:01:59: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wonders if he can get one local

07:02:03: .........RifRaf:sure
07:02:11: .........RifRaf:same place that sells decent hacksaw blades
07:02:56: .........RifRaf:and invest $20 or so in a decent tap holder
07:03:15: ...katsmeow-afk:for real, a cresent wrench is false economy
07:03:52: .Triffid_Hunter:crescent wrench eh.. I remember those from school
07:04:09: ........ace4016:sounds yummy
07:04:20: .........RifRaf:Triffid_Hunter you would know the answers to my dilemma
07:04:31: ...katsmeow-afk:ace, wrench, not wench
07:04:39: ........ace4016::P
07:04:48: .........RifRaf:am trying to get a bunch of variables into a buffer
07:05:03: .Triffid_Hunter:bit or byte packed?
07:05:16: .........RifRaf:um, byte i think
07:05:29: .......kcbanner:
ACTION wishes for perl for avrs

07:05:32: .........RifRaf:variables formatted into a kind of xml
07:05:45: .........RifRaf:and then sent to buffer, so the buffer can be sent to mmc card\
07:06:01: .......kcbanner:I know its impossible but it would rock
07:06:01: .Triffid_Hunter:struct no good?
07:06:04: .........RifRaf:i can sent the string i want to the serial port no worries
07:06:26: ........ace4016:kcbanner, why impossible?
07:06:27: .........RifRaf:Triffid_Hunter my lack of coding is no good, am also using avrlib to make it possible for me to do
07:07:01: .........RifRaf:i'll post the current code, it does rely on many libs though sorry but still makes sence
07:07:09: .......kcbanner:ace4016, unless there was a way to compile a perl program to abinar
07:07:10: .Triffid_Hunter:RifRaf: datastruct* data = buffer; data->something = var, data->somethingelse = var2, storeBuffer();
07:07:18: .Triffid_Hunter:something like that should work
07:07:20: .......kcbanner:then its impossible because perl isn't a compiled language
07:07:21: .......kcbanner:well
07:07:26: .......kcbanner:you can compile it kinda
07:07:30: ........ace4016::)
07:07:40: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: perldoc B ;)
07:07:43: ........ace4016:you can generate the code needed as well
07:07:49: .......kcbanner:but you still need the interpreter
07:08:07: .......kcbanner:unless you could trick the compiler into optimizing the whole program to C code
07:08:22: .........RifRaf:Triffid_Hunter ok sorts makes some sence to me, i'll stare a bit longer and try mod it
07:08:25: .........RifRaf:thanks
07:08:32: .......kcbanner:because I know it can omptimize some parts to C code if they are used lots
07:08:47: .Triffid_Hunter:no worries.. only started playing with structs and whatnot a couple of months ago
07:09:12: .........RifRaf:so i can add 10 items ok that way? just keep making more var's?
07:09:37: ......Hierofant:I never heard of this before... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo
07:09:39: .........RifRaf:and then i need to add the xlm tags
07:09:39: ........ace4016:the variables in a struct are set
07:09:54: .Triffid_Hunter:RifRaf: should be able to add up to the size of your buffer.. might not even need the pointer but it makes the code neater and will make compilation easier too if the avr is anything like my 6811
07:10:00: ............crm:only ad the xml stuff in communications
07:10:08: .........RifRaf:crm no
07:10:08: ......Hierofant:Israel developing Bionic hornets ... http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2660621
07:10:19: ...katsmeow-afk:again?
07:10:22: .........RifRaf:eventually want the pc to read the mmc as fat
07:10:32: ............crm:ok
07:10:43: .........RifRaf:so sticking with the format the pc wants, storage space is not an issue anymore
07:11:19: .Triffid_Hunter:RifRaf: byte packing and xml are at opposite ends of the scale from one another.. one is 100% data and the other is like 99.93% description of the data and 0.07% data
07:11:34: .........RifRaf:yep
07:12:11: ...katsmeow-afk:but for a standard 2^ block size, Riff may just have enough bytes left over to use sgml like that
07:12:14: ........ace4016:is each block a part of a single XML file, or a single XML file period?
07:12:21: ............crm:the pc can still read the structs in
07:12:22: .........RifRaf:ok Tom_afk will make me do bytepacking then probably, is that more than just comma separated values?
07:12:56: .........RifRaf:the string start with [ and ends with ] is sent every thres seconds
07:12:57: .Triffid_Hunter:RifRaf: byte packing is where each variable is at a predefined byte location, all crammed together with nothing in between
07:13:06: .........RifRaf:Triffid_Hunter thats way above me
07:13:08: .Triffid_Hunter:like a tcp/ip header
07:13:13: .........RifRaf:for now at least
07:13:14: ............crm:no its not
07:13:23: ............crm:its really easy
07:13:28: ............crm:just like defining a suitcase
07:13:37: .........RifRaf:i'll post the entire code like i was trying to before
07:13:42: ...katsmeow-afk:comma separated is way more packed, if you can know the fixed order the data is in
07:14:06: .......kcbanner:RifRaf, byte packing isn;'t hard at all
07:14:12: .........RifRaf:http://pastebin.ca/253044
07:14:15: ............crm:so long as you know where to start
07:14:18: .........RifRaf:the mmc stuff is at the end
07:14:23: .......kcbanner:you write a byte at a time
07:14:27: .........RifRaf:and then bits calling it in main
07:14:34: .......kcbanner:and when your reading you read in a byte at a time
07:14:35: ............crm:you just keep saying sizeof(suitcase) * n
07:14:43: ...katsmeow-afk:yeas, since he is doing 7bit ascii chars, might was well pack it if memory is short
07:14:46: .Triffid_Hunter:katsmeow-afk: the commas are not data, so it can be packed further ;)
07:14:50: .........RifRaf:crm ok, when i get to that part
07:14:58: ........ace4016:yea, that's what i mentioned earlier (deliminated and ordered); you can write a newish file spec which you can read from the computer....or find a compact file format to use
07:15:28: ...katsmeow-afk:Triffid_Hunter, but his data lengths are unknown, the comma may actually same space over storing "0000"
07:16:49: ...katsmeow-afk:Riff, "pissed" is Aussy/Brit for "drunk", right?
07:16:58: .........RifRaf:katsmeow-afk yep
07:17:02: ...katsmeow-afk:thanks
07:17:04: .Triffid_Hunter:katsmeow-afk: but it stops you being able to put a comma in the data. better off with a length byte or something
07:18:01: ...katsmeow-afk:he has no commas in data afaik
07:18:22: .........RifRaf:not now
07:18:34: ...katsmeow-afk:k, then use semicolons :-P
07:18:39: ............crm:csv prolly might be better for spaces
07:18:41: ........ace4016:is the file format going to be using ascii?
07:18:42: .........RifRaf:i'll paste a string from the current datalogger, has less values than the new one
07:18:44: ...katsmeow-afk:or | or ^ or $ or etc
07:18:44: ............crm:err space
07:18:59: ........ace4016:a text file...
07:19:09: ........ace4016:(binary would usually be smaller)
07:19:26: .........RifRaf:<V>12.45</V><I>0.64</I><W>7.97</W><R>182.1</R><S>28.8</S><M>0</M><T>17:30</T>
07:19:37: .........RifRaf:er no thats not right
07:19:49: .........RifRaf:that after the pc has done calcs on it and timestamped it
07:20:07: ...katsmeow-afk:if you do use packed bytes, you can store 4 chars per 28 bits,, just fyi
07:20:10: .........RifRaf:more like [<V>481</V><I>94</I><R>0</R><S>0</S><M>1<M><D>-1</D><T1>106</T1><T2>101</T2><T3
07:20:41: .........RifRaf:thats dummy data cause no sensors are hooked up
07:20:45: .Triffid_Hunter:yikes that's less than 50% data.. RifRaf you don't care about space do you?
07:20:53: .........RifRaf:Triffid_Hunter nope :)
07:20:59: .........RifRaf:we have 256mb or more now
07:20:59: ...katsmeow-afk:xml/sgml is great if the data is in unknown positions
07:21:10: .Triffid_Hunter:ah, well byte packing will be no good to you then
07:21:16: .........RifRaf:before we we gonna try use 1mb eeprom, so space is not really an issue
07:21:27: ...katsmeow-afk:fixed data positions is betetr for space, but is hard to back-support if you add anything
07:21:39: ........ace4016:yup
07:21:48: .Triffid_Hunter:also bad for flash storage
07:21:57: .........RifRaf:yep, like work out the maximum sectors required for now and add 50% onto it maybe for future stuff
07:22:02: .........RifRaf:hrm ok
07:22:16: ........ace4016:the 512 blocks sounds fine though (although, if you can calculate the biggest a single entry will be, you can cut down)
07:22:18: .......kcbanner:Whats the advantage of using an RTOS on an AVR
07:22:21: .......kcbanner:I've been wdonering
07:22:39: .......kcbanner:liek say http://picoos.sourceforge.net/ports/avr/index.html
07:22:41: ...katsmeow-afk:making sure the important stuff is tended to first
07:22:43: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: all the advantages of an operating system, without the interrupt latency problem
07:22:44: .........RifRaf:yep, maybe 64 will be heaps, well i am sure it will be
07:23:35: .........RifRaf:is just that the example i used had 512 so stuck with that to simplyfy things for me
07:23:55: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, but do they require special code or something. They dont have a kernel do they?
07:24:11: .......kcbanner:er forget I said that
07:24:20: .......kcbanner:I guess I'm wondering how an OS on an AVR works
07:24:21: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: they do if you write or add one.. kernels are just software after all
07:24:52: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: perhaps something to keep track of all the hardware and let any program interface with it more simply
07:25:10: .......kcbanner:do they just provide interupts and functions to your code? Or do they go in the bootloader section and you upload a seperate program
07:25:18: .......kcbanner:
ACTION needs to find an article on it

07:25:43: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: eg; my bot's kernel has one routine that reads all the AD inputs and stores their values in a certain place. any piece of code can, at any time, read those locations for a recent value without having to set anything up, and without having to wait for a result
07:25:46: .........RifRaf:the URRC2.0 comtroller i have uses an rtos by barry barello
07:26:15: .........RifRaf:on an atmega128, to controll Foxy, so thats a good place to start, google for larry barello
07:26:18: ........ace4016:well, you can find the max amount of space it will take to record your data (lets say 64), then make each block 64; don't have to worry about packing things tighter, just getting the data written
07:26:22: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: another part of my kernel monitors the battery voltage, simply reading one of those locations, doing some math and storing it in another place. that gives my programs instant access to both the instantaneous and averaged battery voltage
07:26:43: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, oh cool so its a multitasking os?
07:26:46: ...katsmeow-afk:btw, i got 6 free Z80A today
07:26:47: .........RifRaf:i think the barello rtos os opensource from memory
07:26:58: .......kcbanner:i'm a little confused
07:27:08: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: it will be when I've finished the scheduler.. i'm still working on the interrupt mode talker, and then it's on to library routines
07:27:15: .......kcbanner:you cant possibly get a shell on the avr and run commands
07:27:26: ........ace4016:katsmeow-afk, have a robotics sugar daddy I see!
07:27:32: ........ace4016:err, electronics*
07:28:25: ...katsmeow-afk:ace, i got a lot of stuff that was headed to trash bins
07:28:30: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: the idea of a kernel is that it looks after all your I/O and interrupts and things, so your userspace program doesn't need to care what the particulars are.
07:28:33: ...katsmeow-afk:i was thankful to get it
07:28:37: ...katsmeow-afk:very thankful
07:28:57: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, yeah I understand that part. The part I dont get is how the userspace program and the kernel are seperated
07:28:58: ........ace4016:heh, cool; no one throws anything away around here; always buying new things....silly college kids
07:29:08: .......kcbanner:there is only one program allowed in the flash at one time
07:29:24: .........RifRaf:ok i'll wire up this mmc i think and see is the buffer is working
07:29:28: .......kcbanner:does the kernel go in the bootloader section?
07:29:33: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: in my robot? by nothing. they're just different bits of code in different directories written to do different things with limited interaction
07:29:33: ........ace4016:RifRaf, did you see what I wrote just a little while ago?
07:29:36: ...katsmeow-afk:in fact, i got the stuff 8 mo ago, and i am still very thankful
07:29:50: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, ok
07:30:00: .........RifRaf:ace4016 about 64block size?
07:30:06: .......kcbanner:so...the kernel and the "userspace" program get compiled into the same .hex
07:30:16: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: and you can put as many programs in the flash as you want, as long as they don't overlap.. of course, only one can run at a time so you need something to decide when each one gets a go - there's another use for a kernel
07:30:22: ........ace4016:RifRaf, and only having to worry about getting the data written
07:30:31: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I didn't know that ;P
07:30:55: .........RifRaf:ace4016 sounds nice
07:31:02: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: they can be. mine aren't because i'm keeping the kernel, library and userspace *very* separate - enough that I can download the kernel only, and send other pieces down as it suits me
07:31:09: .........RifRaf:i'll change the code to 64blocks
07:31:20: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: it helps that my board doesn't have any flash, only ram ;)
07:31:27: .......kcbanner:hmm :P
07:31:29: ........ace4016:RifRaf, although it does require you to find the max, which might be a bit bigger then 64 :P
07:31:44: .Triffid_Hunter:although a near immutable bootloader would be nice
07:31:50: .......kcbanner:but there isn't a filesystem is there
07:31:51: .......kcbanner:I mean
07:31:55: .......kcbanner:hmm...I am confused
07:32:17: .......kcbanner:how does the kernel provide the variables to the userspace program
07:32:25: .........RifRaf:ace4016 ok will find that later, i'll just see if i can start filling up the card with 123456789 stuff for now
07:32:33: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: nope.. s19 files include the start address of the code, so my bootloader recieves the kernel and gets told where it starts, then my kernel recieves my user program(s) and gets told where they start
07:32:35: .........RifRaf:need to do some soldering
07:32:49: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: that's handled by relocation and symbol tables
07:32:53: ........ace4016:i need to write some notes and go to bed soon
07:34:01: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, so your programs are essential binaries that the kernel runs
07:34:03: ........ace4016:Perl -- it's strengths are text processing, wierd syntax: some people swear by it, some people swear at it. Your mileage may vary.
07:34:05: ........ace4016:hehe
07:34:06: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: http://hc11-ide.funkmunch.net/newbrain/user/Makefile <-- at the top, you can see the linker commands which tell it to find undefined symbols in the kernel and library.
07:34:35: ............crm:katsmeow-afk
07:34:40: ...katsmeow-afk:crm
07:34:56: ............crm:can you give me a picture showing how it fits together?
07:35:05: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: nope, my programs are what one generally considers a program, to which the kernel provides information as well as precluding any need to interact with the hardware directly, allowing me to write code which should work on any mcu with similar features
07:35:31: ...katsmeow-afk:the stepper and coupling and rod isn't in the frame or table now, i got drunk after the ,, "comments" about it in here earlier
07:35:43: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, thats cool
07:35:45: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: the kernel is self contained - it needs only to be loaded and started.
07:35:48: ............crm:damn.. i missed that
07:35:59: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I guess the part I dont understand is how the programs are compiled
07:36:12: .......kcbanner:in avr-gcc just like anything elese?
07:36:12: ...katsmeow-afk:i pretty much tossed it against the wall
07:36:21: ............crm:oh no
07:36:27: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: m6811-elf-gcc actually, but basically yeah
07:36:34: ............crm:wtf .. never wreck your own stuff
07:36:38: .......kcbanner:or are they interpreted by the kernel, with a custom interpreter thing ;
07:36:40: ...katsmeow-afk:then i proceeded to get drunk
07:36:44: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, thanks for being patient :D
07:36:48: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: although the majority of my kernel is written in assembly
07:37:05: ...katsmeow-afk:crm, it was even the wrong COLOR
07:37:25: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: no the kernel simply jumps to the proper location and lets whatever happen, happen. when it gets an interrupt, it takes over and does its thing for a bit then returns control to the program
07:37:33: ...katsmeow-afk:i managed to make it work, and it was the wrong freaking COLOR
07:37:37: ......rue_house:right never load anything to crm
07:37:39: ............crm:heh
07:37:42: ......rue_house:loan
07:38:09: ...katsmeow-afk:i don't think anyone understood the priciple anyhow
07:38:17: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, ok I think I follow
07:38:29: ......rue_house:katsmeow-afk, do I get to see your coupling?
07:38:32: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, so the programs have to written to listen to the interupt
07:38:45: .......kcbanner:to be*
07:38:47: ......rue_house:I do wish I could show you my foupling
07:38:51: ......rue_house:coupling
07:38:58: ............crm:rue_house .. i think it would be wise to say nothing about it
07:39:00: .......kcbanner:rue_house, its a sweet coupling
07:39:12: .........RifRaf:is 64blocks different to 64 chars?
07:39:13: ......rue_house:I wanna see her coupling
07:39:15: ............crm:because whatever you say will be twisted. or taken the wrong way
07:39:18: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: no. the hardware on the chip suspends the program and goes somewhere else when an interrupt occurs. the kernel simply tells the chip to call the relevant part of itself when that happens
07:39:19: ......rue_house:RifRaf, yes
07:39:24: .........RifRaf::(
07:39:27: .........RifRaf:alot?
07:39:30: ......rue_house:yes
07:39:34: .........RifRaf:damn :(
07:39:41: .........RifRaf:ok need to change some code
07:39:42: ......rue_house:a block is usually between .5 and 2K
07:39:51: ......rue_house:bytes
07:39:53: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: the program should have no knowledge of interrupts at all - that's the kernel's job
07:39:59: ......rue_house:did you wirete that file raw to th card yet?
07:40:01: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, yeah thats what I thought
07:40:05: .........RifRaf:hi rue_house
07:40:17: .........RifRaf:rue_house yes have done lotsa stuffs
07:40:17: ......rue_house:hi...
07:40:28: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I have to read an article or something on this
07:40:30: .........RifRaf:i can write to the mmc on linux and read on avr
07:40:34: .......kcbanner:to grasp the basic understanding
07:40:35: ............crm:get any more walls up rue_house ?
07:40:35: .........RifRaf:and vice versa
07:40:48: ......rue_house:ok if that file is RAW on the card, try reading hte first 16 characters back on the avr
07:40:54: ......rue_house:there are 3 walls up
07:40:58: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I suggest you do.. my code has become so much more flexible since I decided to do it this way
07:41:03: .........RifRaf:rue_house that was with other code though, am trying to integrate it and store real data now
07:41:18: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, yeah I would like to use something like it
07:41:45: ......rue_house:that coupling has a lot of backlash
07:41:56: ....any25035018:ami back?
07:42:00: ........ace4016:yes
07:42:08: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: you're welcome to my code if you want, although the comments are probably the most useful part to you since you use a different chip
07:42:09: ......rue_house:RifRaf, so you were able to successfully read back the file?
07:42:10: ....any25035018:[01:35] <katsmeow-afk> rue, i tried many many times to get your attention, i posted the url here,, somewhere,,,,,,, looking.......
07:42:10: ....any25035018:[01:35] <katsmeow-afk> http://206.113.66.9/coupler/coupling.html
07:42:10: ....any25035018:[01:35] *** Disconnected
07:42:23: ......rue_house:apparently I'm looking at is
07:42:25: ......rue_house:it
07:42:29: ....any25035018:it's ultra cheap, flexable with zero friction and backlash, and easy to make for any size shafts
07:42:30: ......rue_house:oh I need sleep
07:42:31: .........RifRaf:rue_house yes
07:42:36: .........RifRaf:and other files and text i sent
07:42:39: .........RifRaf:http://pastebin.ca/253061
07:42:46: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, so power is applied...kernel starts...runs program 1 (how does it know to run the program?)...runs program 2...multitasks between them?
07:42:46: ......rue_house:tell me how that has zero backlsh?
07:42:48: .........RifRaf:rue look at that quick, i a few loijnes
07:42:53: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, sure I would love to see your code :D
07:43:01: ......rue_house:looks like you would get almost 180 degrees of backlash
07:43:10: .......katsmouw:inthe botom pic?!
07:43:11: .........RifRaf:ok not yet, wait till you look at katsmouws pics, they don't last long
07:43:27: .......katsmouw:see the cord?
07:43:33: .........RifRaf:i was thinking the bachlash 180 thing as well
07:43:36: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: eventually that's exactly what'll happen. at the moment, power is applied, kernel initialises itself and then drops into a wait loop which does nothing but wait for interrupts because I haven't written the part that lets me send programs down yet
07:43:38: .......katsmouw:google "membrane coupler"
07:43:41: ......rue_house:yea, it'll slip through it wont it?
07:43:48: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, ah cool
07:43:54: .......katsmouw:nope, see the word "epoxy" ?
07:44:07: ......rue_house:haha, oh
07:44:12: .......katsmouw:see the words " adhesive", etc ?
07:44:21: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I'm trying to get the sonar working so I have something for the userprogram to actually do
07:44:42: .......katsmouw:see i ran the cord in , tightened it, and then set to 90 degrees to tighten it further?
07:44:50: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, what kind of sonar
07:44:53: ......rue_house:I took a picture of something special for you kat
07:44:59: .......kcbanner:I built one out of a polaroid camera
07:44:59: .......katsmouw:uh oh
07:45:01: .......kcbanner:it actually worked
07:45:03: ......rue_house:http://eds.dyndns.org:81/~ircjunk/shop/dscn8791.jpg
07:45:13: ............crm:can i look too?
07:45:16: ........ace4016:8 64 char entries makes 512 :)
07:45:18: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I'm building one from a pair of transducers and a 567
07:45:20: ......rue_house:sure
07:45:33: .......katsmouw:foam :-)
07:45:34: .......kcbanner:nice
07:45:34: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: and probably an op-amp and fet for signal conditioning
07:45:40: ......rue_house::)
07:45:45: .......kcbanner:I have much to learn
07:45:48: .........RifRaf:ace4016 so store 8 series of values before writing?
07:45:49: .......katsmouw:btw, keep that pipe running the water way from the building
07:46:03: ......rue_house::)
07:46:04: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I could just buy one, but they're far too expensive for my liking
07:46:19: .......katsmouw:i would not tie it to the footer drain unless its out where the roof drain is tied in
07:46:22: ......rue_house:my buddy helped
07:46:25: ........ace4016:RifRaf, sure; less i/o that way
07:46:27: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: there's an example in the basic stamp application notes, and heaps of others that don't use a 567 around
07:46:30: ......rue_house:he just picked up the walls
07:46:44: .........RifRaf:ok cool, i think i need a 128byte length to fit it all in though
07:46:44: .......katsmouw:kool, i bet they are heavy as heck
07:46:50: ......rue_house:yea
07:46:59: ........ace4016:ah, well then 2
07:47:05: .........RifRaf:4?
07:47:11: ........ace4016:err, yea :P
07:47:13: ......rue_house:he brought over his pneumatic nailer
07:47:15: ........ace4016:shhh, it's late
07:47:16: .........RifRaf:yay
07:47:17: .......katsmouw:looks like a wellbuilt place, rue
07:47:24: .........RifRaf:so it can write every 40second
07:47:27: ......rue_house:BANG! BANG! PINK! BANG!
07:47:44: .........RifRaf:yep we don't biuld stuff like that over here
07:47:59: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, yeah they were too expensive for me, hence the polaroid
07:48:24: .......katsmouw:i didn't coose pink, i had the cord
07:48:28: ........ace4016:hm....i better head to bed...
07:48:39: ......rue_house:me 2
07:48:47: .......kcbanner:I should
07:48:48: .......katsmouw:i wasn't about to drive to town and buy a different color of cord only 3 inches long
07:48:48: ......rue_house:bed 4 me 2
07:48:53: .......kcbanner:school tommorow
07:49:02: .......kcbanner:katsmouw, the cord is very nice
07:49:10: ........ace4016:adios
07:49:16: .......kcbanner:wtf is wrong with a red cord
07:49:21: ......rue_house:I'll have to try it myself, compare it
07:49:25: .........RifRaf:katsmouw wat is the cord made from?
07:49:25: .......kcbanner:lol
07:49:40: .......katsmouw:you haveto do it right, rue, if you don't understand it, ask
07:49:45: .........RifRaf:is it like string or wat?
07:49:52: .......katsmouw:
ACTION looks at the webpage

07:50:14: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I read the wikipedia article on RTOS but it wasn't much help :P
07:50:21: .........RifRaf:oh that means i had to read?
07:50:22: .......katsmouw:The cord is nylon woven/braided cord, altho the normal twisted variety could have been used also.
07:50:33: .......katsmouw:no, i copy/pasted it for you
07:50:44: ......rue_house:its just a medium for the epoxy to stick to
07:50:45: .........RifRaf:so some kinda plastic pink string you had
07:50:56: .......kcbanner:I thought it was red
07:50:59: .......katsmouw:the point is near-zero stretch and easy to attach
07:51:02: .........RifRaf:ok its red
07:51:02: .......kcbanner:whatever works
07:51:15: .......katsmouw:pick any frea$%^$# color you want
07:51:32: .......kcbanner:katsmouw, you could light a match and burn the knot part to tighten it up?
07:51:32: .........RifRaf:are you sure its the right colour though?
07:51:47: .......katsmouw:it's not color coded for anything
07:51:47: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: mine's not RT
07:51:50: ......rue_house:
ACTION passes kat a bat

07:51:56: .........RifRaf::P
07:52:09: .......katsmouw:rue, i am about to give up on ever posting any more pics ever again
07:52:20: ......rue_house:
ACTION holds a bullseye behind RifRaf

07:52:23: .........RifRaf:no you are not
07:52:31: .......katsmouw:i have spent more time ont he damned color than on any seriosu discussion of it
07:52:44: ......rue_house:katsmouw, I think its a sweet idea
07:52:57: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: realtime implies that a process can run at a specific time and be guaranteed a certain period to do its thing.. that's rather tricky to code so I haven't bothered
07:53:09: .........RifRaf:i still can't see how it works, but it looks like it will if you epoxy it, but then how is it still flexible?
07:53:41: .......katsmouw:Riff, there is a minute amount of stretch as the wingnuts move about an offset axis
07:53:58: .......katsmouw:otherwise, they just drag each other around in a circle
07:54:04: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, oh. I'm basically trying to figure out how the whole OS on a embedded micro works. I understand how the kernel works. ALl the programs I;ve written have just been a single program that runs. So basically you could call that the kernel. So if my program was to ask the chip to execute code at address X until I sent an interupt, thats a basic scheduler?
07:54:08: .........RifRaf:can you make videos with your cam?
07:54:10: .Triffid_Hunter:katsmouw: if you want low stretch cord, use kite string
07:54:20: .........RifRaf:would like to see it moving
07:54:32: .......katsmouw:Triffid_Hunter, this cord is years old and pre-stretched to heck and back
07:54:44: ......rue_house:sleep, I will see you later
07:54:47: .......katsmouw:rif, are you serious or trolling?
07:54:52: .........RifRaf:rue_house get back here
07:54:56: ......rue_house:
ACTION thinks of a 4Kw ups for hte hosue.... mmmmm

07:54:59: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: a scheduler is a kernel module which switches between multiple userprograms in a way that's invisible to them
07:55:02: .........RifRaf:katsmouw omg, i am serious
07:55:06: .........RifRaf:remember i am slow
07:55:06: ......rue_house:zzzz
07:55:27: .......katsmouw:i'llhaveto put it back together, i trashed it
07:55:36: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: interrupts don't count, although the scheduler usually runs from inside a periodic interrput
07:55:38: .......katsmouw:afk to make a movie then
07:55:43: .........RifRaf:yay
07:55:48: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, how do you insert a kernel module into the kernel?
07:55:53: .......kcbanner:or does the kernel do it itself
07:56:26: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: my toplevel makefile has a list of kernel modules to include next time I rebuild the kernel
07:56:26: .......kcbanner:I guess I;m comparing the embedded kernel to the linux kernel in my mind
07:56:48: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I'll take another look at it
07:56:57: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I'm basing my work on what i've learned from the linux kernel.. no modular loading/unloading here, but choosing which parts go in and which don't I have
07:57:42: .......kcbanner:ah cool
07:58:01: .......kcbanner:very interesting
07:58:04: .......kcbanner:I have to learn more
07:58:07: .......kcbanner:but...first I must sleep
07:58:14: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: http://hc11-ide.funkmunch.net/newbrain/kernel/k_sched.c is a simple scheduler I whipped up. not tested yet, but should give the basic idea
07:58:48: .......kcbanner:
ACTION doesn't really know C. Maybe he should put perl on hold for awhile...

07:58:58: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: hehe you'll probably dream of kernel/user separation and scheduling now :P
07:59:01: .......kcbanner:but I can read the code and understand it I think
07:59:01: .........RifRaf:yep no one does perl with uC here
07:59:07: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, yeah I will :P
07:59:09: ..........horar:good idea. and while you're at it, take a look at Common Lisp
07:59:14: .........RifRaf:i like perl for other things though
07:59:15: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: I use perl extensively on my host system for various things
07:59:40: .......kcbanner:Triffid_Hunter, I love it for sys admin stuff
07:59:46: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: eg; http://hc11-ide.funkmunch.net/newbrain/talker.pl is the talker I use to send down the kernel and userprogs and whatever after the bootloader is in place
07:59:47: .......kcbanner:I;m working on a cool modular IRC bot
08:00:03: .Triffid_Hunter:kcbanner: me too.. want some of my old perldrop code to play with?
08:00:22: .......kcbanner:sure
08:00:33: .......kcbanner:would you mind sending it to my email?
08:00:37: .......kcbanner:or a link rather
08:01:08: .Triffid_Hunter:ok.. I'll have to find it first ;)
08:01:15: .......kcbanner:pm?
08:01:22: .Triffid_Hunter:go ahead
08:01:36: .........RifRaf:make my day
08:04:46: .......katsmouw:uploading
08:05:51: .......katsmouw:
ACTION cusses,, changing to a friend's domain for the avi's

08:07:20: .........RifRaf:dammit, you would think i could find a 7 pin header around here :/
08:08:54: .......katsmouw:http://tamaratemple.com/pub/coupler/small.AVI ; http://tamaratemple.com/pub/coupler/large.AVI
08:11:10: .......kcbanner: katsmouw thats awesome
08:11:43: .......katsmouw:i didn't glue it or anything, i threw it against a wall earlier, and didn't do a great job of alignment just now
08:12:23: .........RifRaf:ok just got in, been shaking the guy wire on my power pole
08:12:36: .........RifRaf:i could make the lines wobble for about 200 meters
08:13:25: .......katsmouw:that's normal
08:13:40: .........RifRaf:doesn't look like the used a concrete footing for the guy wire, i wonder wats holding the 1/2" loop in
08:13:58: .........RifRaf:i can wobble the loop as well
08:14:05: .......katsmouw:kc, there is little difference tween spinning the end of the allthread when on the stepper, vs taking it off the stepper and spinning the stepper alone
08:14:12: .........RifRaf:this is for guywire testing to see wat i need for a windmill
08:14:32: .........RifRaf:movie downloading, am getting the big one
08:14:34: .......katsmouw:err, there's math for that, Riff
08:14:55: .........RifRaf:well i figure i need at least wat a power pole needs
08:15:20: .........RifRaf:i reckon i could snap this power pole if i wobbled it enough
08:15:33: .........RifRaf:like sideways
08:15:39: .......katsmouw:lets not
08:15:42: .........RifRaf:cause it only has the one guywire
08:15:46: .......katsmouw:yeas
08:15:49: .........RifRaf:i was thinkin the same
08:16:09: ........theBear:ok you budding scholars ! questions.... lightning happens when its dry or moist air ?
08:16:11: .......katsmouw:and the pole's in the ground in the ground only 6ft at most with no concrete
08:16:18: .......katsmouw:bear, yeas
08:16:36: ........theBear:katsmouw, that was kinda a a/b question :)
08:16:40: .........RifRaf:yep, just stomped in
08:16:50: .........RifRaf:dryish moist
08:16:54: ............crm:neighbours chicken escaped to my yard
08:16:58: .......katsmouw:moist dry air
08:16:59: ........theBear::)\
08:17:02: ............crm:silly animals
08:17:05: .........RifRaf:i am sure it needs moist to conduct
08:17:06: .......katsmouw:seriously, both
08:17:15: ............crm:good thing they are tasty
08:17:21: .........RifRaf:yep i was half serious
08:17:22: .......katsmouw:but dry lightning storms cause a lot of fires in western usa
08:17:45: .........RifRaf:crm yum
08:17:55: ........theBear:interesting..... i suppose that explains my next question of how you can have lightning/rain storms (i've never really noticed if they happen next to each other, just close by for sure)
08:18:02: .........RifRaf:i need to eat more chook
08:18:10: ........theBear:i need some too
08:18:24: ........theBear:that might be the smartest thing i've heard all day ! and i've heard some dumb things today ;
08:18:27: ........theBear::) that is
08:18:28: .......katsmouw:friction generators, like wimhurst and van de graff work best in dry conditions
08:18:59: .......katsmouw:
ACTION has been fried by both generators

08:19:10: ........theBear:what i was thinking along the lines of was lightning needs a LOT of resistance AROUND it to build up to that kind of potential....
08:19:33: .........RifRaf:crm if ya can't cook a yabbie how are ya gonna gut a chook?
08:19:44: .......katsmouw:yep, and then a minor updraft to make it spark
08:19:50: ............crm:no.. i thew it back over the fence
08:19:55: ........Rebecca:oh, build a kelvin's thunderstorm generator :D
08:20:01: .........RifRaf:wuss
08:20:12: ............crm:heh
08:21:05: .........RifRaf:i want 7 machine pin headers
08:21:12: .........RifRaf:is that too much to ask for?
08:21:24: .......katsmouw:umm, no?
08:21:37: .........RifRaf:katsmouw 41%, don't woorry i am not forgetting
08:21:54: .......katsmouw:ok
08:21:56: .......katsmouw:i was
08:22:22: .........RifRaf:in 2 days i have fast broadband
08:22:30: .......katsmouw:
ACTION nods

08:22:31: .........RifRaf:well now i do according to the modem
08:22:44: .........RifRaf:but they won't change the account for 2 days :/
08:22:50: ........theBear:
ACTION wonders what kind of pin header could attach to 7 machines :)

08:23:26: ........theBear:
ACTION is tempted to order ULTRA-fast broadband for work in a couple days after he patches a phone line or 2 and gets them connected

08:24:27: .........RifRaf:theBear i just wanna make a 7pin mmc card header to 10pin ISP header
08:24:43: .........RifRaf:i have the mmc code starting to do stuffs
08:24:47: ........theBear:RifRaf, i was just playing with words 'cos i'm half drunk
08:24:53: ........theBear:hmmm... isp you say ?>
08:24:57: .........RifRaf:i can't get adsl2 :/
08:25:03: .........RifRaf:but gettin 1500.256
08:25:06: ........theBear::( don't feel bad... half of sydney can't get it
08:25:10: ........Rebecca:that's not bad :)
08:25:13: .........RifRaf:in system programmer
08:25:14: ........theBear:ahh... the adsl2/adsl1 deal.. not bad
08:25:27: ........theBear:RifRaf, you saying isp is compatible with mmc ?
08:25:42: .........RifRaf:theBear no but it uses all the same pins
08:25:47: .........RifRaf:apart from 1
08:25:55: ........Rebecca:i remember feeling like a god when i went from dialup to 1500/256. hehe :)
08:26:02: .........RifRaf:which i just happened to wire to the spare pin on the isp :)
08:26:08: ........theBear:RifRaf, interesting.... i wonder if you could teach a programmer with an extra buffer to read/write them...
08:26:13: .........RifRaf:Rebecca i'll get that feeling soon
08:26:28: .........RifRaf:theBear is just SPI
08:26:38: .........RifRaf:the programmer might make a great buffer actually
08:26:39: ........theBear:Rebecca, indeed... it was special... god FORBID you ever do what we did (kinda a long story, not by choice,) and go back to 512/64 :(
08:26:45: ........theBear:RifRaf, wow
08:27:00: ........Rebecca:theBear: no, i went up to adsl2 ;)
08:27:07: ........theBear:
ACTION remembers noticing how easy mmc was, and then completely forgetting it for later

08:27:12: .........RifRaf:pfft, sush you
08:27:37: .........RifRaf:am am so looking forward to not wasting so much time waiting for stuff here
08:27:50: ........theBear:Rebecca, mmmm... i too will do that soon... i've used a customers, and it kicks ARSE !!! might get it here before i move in a couple months (cheaper for a start, tho we might lose connection for a couple days) but DEFINATELY for work....
08:27:50: .........RifRaf:like windows updates every time i biuld a pc :/
08:28:05: ........theBear:
ACTION just hopes to god he can patch enough good fone lines for adsl2 before the walls go up

08:28:38: ........theBear:
ACTION saw a guy that looked a bit like a dug-fucked rif today....

08:28:43: ........theBear:err... drug fucked
08:28:57: .........RifRaf:way to go
08:29:09: ........theBear:
ACTION saw a guy a few weeks ago on blue healers that looked EXACTLY like rif, but he was some kinda crazy maniac murderer depressed guy :)

08:29:29: .........RifRaf:omg you are finding me everywhere
08:29:31: ........theBear:never seen it before... only knew what it was 'cos of that fat old actor guy
08:29:34: .........RifRaf:i must hide better
08:29:47: ........theBear:hehe... i just uncovered the last 3 months of your secret life :)
08:29:51: .........RifRaf:more beer time
08:30:03: ........Rebecca:lol
08:30:18: ........theBear:your like that movie with that stupid guy that pretends to be all kindsa people and goes around the world taunting the police.....
08:30:31: ........theBear:
ACTION notices that wasn't a very scathing comment without the movie name

08:30:34: ..........horar:catch me if you can
08:30:39: ........theBear:DAMNED STRAIGHT !
08:30:40: .........RifRaf:hah the galahs are mad at me
08:30:49: ........theBear:you asked for it !
08:30:51: .........RifRaf:i forgot to buy more birdfood today
08:31:01: .........RifRaf:they are out there waitin for nothin
08:31:06: .......katsmouw:toss them cereal
08:31:15: ..........horar:fattening them up for sunday dinner?
08:31:17: .........RifRaf:got none
08:31:30: .........RifRaf:and the bread is mine
08:31:42: ..........horar:mix beer with their food, makes them easier to catch, and tastier too.
08:31:43: .........RifRaf:horar nah i just got a bunch of new friends
08:31:46: ........theBear:YOU FOOL ! you feed the galahs ?!?!?!?!? you FOOL ! if you like one catch it and put it in as huger cage as you feel is fair, then feed it sunflowers and shit... .but don't feed them in the wild... they're like seagulls with good memories !
08:32:28: .........RifRaf:galahs, parrots, big white things that are not cockatoos, finches, bright orange ones with green wings, rosellas, pheasants, doves and lots more
08:32:29: ........theBear:my grandma has always kept them... she's got one that was around since i was a bit more than 10... talks great... remembers me at christmas...
08:32:40: ..........horar:yeah, but at least their fussy about what they eat so you can roast them without fear of poisoning yourself
08:32:55: ........theBear:i've caught a few with her... often you find one that has lost or been shunned by the flock and has no better option.... grab 'em in a towel and cage em....
08:32:57: .........RifRaf:theBear yep i notice the galahs remember like that
08:32:57: ..........horar:have any of you had roast swan? we get it here sometimes.
08:33:02: .........RifRaf:like a cockatoo
08:33:06: .........RifRaf:but
08:33:13: ........theBear:i like all kinds of exotic roasted birds....
08:33:24: .........RifRaf:the rosellas and parrots both get in for their share when the are hungry
08:33:43: .........RifRaf:is a really cool feeding setup, as long as the stupid crow does not mess it up
08:33:56: .......katsmouw:make a mesh the crow cannot get thru
08:33:58: ..........horar:you have to get a special licence before you're allowed to kill a swan, and you can only get them if you can prove they're overpopulated in your area.
08:34:01: .........RifRaf:cause the parrots don't like the crow but the galahs can scare the crows
08:34:03: ........theBear:they talk good... a few days just chatting to an ex-wild one as you walk past and they will start to pick up words... they do like repetition tho.... "hello cocky" every time you walk past for a week and all but the stupidest will start saying it back....
08:34:22: .........RifRaf:but the glahs eat after the parrots, so is a bit hard to syncronise it all ya see
08:34:33: ........theBear:RifRaf, you need a gun... "keep the piece" :)
08:34:56: .........RifRaf:theBear nah the crow knows i don't want him so he leaves real quick if i see him
08:35:00: ..........horar:we come in peace... shoot to kill... shoot to kill... we come in peace... shoot to kill, men!
08:35:02: ........theBear:or one of my favourite recent pisstake shirts, "GREENPIECE" with a big green handgun sillouette :)
08:35:14: ........theBear:horar, :)
08:35:21: .......katsmouw:avi
08:35:31: ........Rebecca:hey horar :)
08:35:31: .........RifRaf:and like today there was 4 crows , so i know another one will take his place
08:35:32: .........RifRaf:yay avi, its done ")_
08:35:34: .........RifRaf:brb
08:35:47: ..........horar:hi ho. what's adsl2 give you Rebecca?
08:35:54: ........theBear:tpgi meguesses
08:36:02: ........theBear:oh.. i thought you said who's
08:36:15: ..........horar:i'm about to switch from 1500/256 to 512/512 here
08:36:21: ........theBear:they are the big (maybe only) seller around here right now... beat telstra's arse by a long way
08:36:31: ........Rebecca:horar: the other day i had 2 torrents downloading at over 350kB/s each :)
08:36:53: ........theBear:adsl2+ is max 20000/8000 from memory... maybe the 8 is a 12....
08:36:53: ..........horar:woot! you must have been uploading pretty fast too to get that sort of service. :)
08:37:18: ........theBear:adsl (original) is max 7.5 (or was it 8) meg / err... 2.5 or something
08:37:43: .........RifRaf:katsmouw ok very cool, i see zero slip, but i dunno how
08:37:53: ........Rebecca:horar: im a nice torrenter.. i always upload lots more than i download :)
08:37:59: ........Rebecca:eventually :)
08:38:05: ........theBear:i've gotten over 10m/s steady for kernel downloads (i had to test it for my client <grin>)
08:38:17: ..........horar:yeah me too, on the rare occasions when i can find anything legal that i actually want to download
08:38:17: .........RifRaf:it moves very well, and its not glued to the red thing?
08:38:28: .......katsmouw:Rif, it could slip AS IS, since i stopped work on it and didn't drop a spot of glue on it
08:38:32: .........RifRaf:yeah i hardly download anything
08:38:46: .........RifRaf:and when i do it takes a few days for a cd and thats fine
08:38:51: ........Rebecca:trouble with adsl2 is lots of sites limit their upload at that speed
08:38:56: .........RifRaf:thats why i reckon 18Gb limit is ok
08:39:12: .........RifRaf:after that it goes down to 64kb and used to that already
08:39:16: ..........horar:lol, there are still too many sites that can't even upload fast enough for adsl1 e.g. mine
08:39:18: ............crm:how much?
08:39:27: .........RifRaf:59.95 with tpg
08:39:29: ........theBear:
ACTION wonders what him and his housemate have been using since they stopped a certain activity......

08:39:31: ........Rebecca:like.. google video downloads usually sit at 100kB/s.... but i can open 5 of them at that speed :)
08:39:38: .........RifRaf:and seems i get a static ip, at least it seems so
08:39:40: .......katsmouw:the drop of glue int he holes the red cord passes thru will stop all wear of the cord ont he metal, since the cord is not supposed to move against the steel at all
08:39:47: .........RifRaf:even though it said dynamic
08:39:50: ..........horar:Rebecca: can i move in with you?
08:39:52: ........theBear:tpgi adsl2 are all static...
08:40:11: ..........horar:
ACTION will cook and clean for bandwidth

08:40:21: .........RifRaf:horar leave the girls alone you floozy
08:40:26: ..........horar::-P
08:40:29: ........Rebecca:horar: lol, nah. you're functional robot would give mine an inferiority complex :)
08:40:55: ..........horar:but yours has too large batteries!
08:41:07: .........RifRaf:katsmouw so the cord does have to hold all the tension still?
08:41:07: ........Rebecca:lol
08:41:32: ..........horar:Rebecca: i had a lovely dream last night
08:41:50: .........RifRaf:horar you told us :/
08:41:56: ........theBear:hehe
08:41:58: .........RifRaf::P
08:42:01: ..........horar:yeah but i didn't tell rebecca :)
08:42:01: ........Rebecca:did it involve certain cddb people and a plane with a failed engine?
08:42:09: ..........horar:no
08:42:15: ........theBear:hehe
08:42:18: .........RifRaf:ok go for it
08:42:19: ........theBear:and buddy holly ?
08:43:04: ........Rebecca:lol
08:43:09: ...........fenn:thebear you ever see "perfect blue"?
08:43:26: ........theBear:nup
08:43:35: ..........horar:or "millenium actress"?
08:43:45: .......katsmouw:Riff, the cord is under as much tension as you can put on it
08:43:50: ........theBear:what the ? name some good movies :)
08:43:51: .........RifRaf:and horar you didn't sleep last night so it was not a dream, i found you here after daylight
08:44:11: ........Rebecca:katsmouw: i thought the coupleing device was cool.... after i was told what it was. :D
08:44:15: ..........horar:yeah, that was the good bit. she's posted some of the pics in her album on orkut... go take a look.
08:44:19: .......katsmouw:hence i tensioned it and then torqued the wingnuts to 90 degrees
08:44:29: .........RifRaf:i probly forget my login
08:45:00: .........RifRaf:never been back since margarita dissapointed me
08:45:14: ..........horar:lol, you give up too easy
08:45:22: .........RifRaf:nah i am too busy
08:45:41: ..........horar:and anyway, finding someone is the easy part.... keeping them is the real challenge
08:45:48: .........RifRaf:i kinda figured that out, to get a women i need a full time job
08:46:05: .........RifRaf:and far less hobbies
08:46:06: ..........horar:or be really really good in the kitchen... and elsewhere
08:46:50: .........RifRaf:yeah i used to be all that, damn maybe i am gettin old
08:47:08: ..........horar:just rusty is all. you need to polish it a bit.
08:47:37: .........RifRaf:yep, well is summer around the corner
08:47:55: ..........horar:hmm. summer's really special here.
08:48:06: .........RifRaf:yep, must be good for eskimos
08:48:10: ..........horar:because it's so cold most of the year, everyone stays really well covered up.
08:48:12: ...........fenn:
ACTION sighs

08:48:30: ..........horar:but when the weather heats up, it all comes off. strong impact on the senses.
08:48:31: .......katsmouw:
ACTION throws an avi at fenn

08:48:37: .........RifRaf:fenn wats got ya sighin buddy?
08:49:02: ..........horar:fenn: does your dungeon have a window?
08:49:13: .........RifRaf:to a nice bit of topsoil?
08:49:29: ...........fenn:
ACTION looks out at the dark sky

08:50:15: .........RifRaf:i wanna get the telescope out soon
08:50:26: .........RifRaf:the stars are so bamn bright out here at night
08:50:28: ........Rebecca:oooh, how big is it?
08:50:40: ...........fenn:no comment
08:50:43: ..........horar:lucky...
08:50:55: .........RifRaf:Rebecca just a dick smith one, about $150 it think it was
08:51:11: ..........horar:i used to have an 8" newtonian reflector... but i had to sell it because it was so big. nowhere to store it and too hard to transport.
08:51:14: ........Rebecca:refractor?
08:51:21: .........RifRaf:about 4 inches wide and 3 foot long
08:51:27: ........Rebecca:horar: nice :)
08:51:49: ........Rebecca:RifRaf: if you have a big reflector ill come visit ;)
08:51:51: ..........horar:yeah. i'm still kicking myself. i inherited it from my grandfather who went blind just after he bought it.
08:51:57: ..........horar:i really wish i'd been able to keep it.
08:51:58: .........RifRaf:Rebecca oh yeah i have a big one
08:52:07: ........Rebecca:horar: awwww, poor guy
08:52:18: ...........fenn:an easily assembled/disassembled kinematic telescope wouldnt be so hard to do
08:52:19: ..........horar:diabetes. watch out for it. :(
08:52:42: ........Rebecca:
ACTION nods

08:52:54: ........Rebecca:i've been tested for it actually :)
08:53:00: .........RifRaf:hopefully i can hook up the digicam to the telescope like i did with the microscope
08:53:05: .........RifRaf:but dunno yet
08:54:42: .........RifRaf:Rebecca you should come visit anyway, this is a sick place to get away from stuff, and town is not far away
08:55:07: ........Rebecca:RifRaf: is there a train nearby?
08:55:15: .........RifRaf:yep
08:55:20: .........RifRaf:15minutes drive
08:55:25: .........RifRaf:coffs harbour station
08:55:37: ........Rebecca:cool. so i could get there on my scooter? :D
08:55:52: .........RifRaf:heh, or i can pick you up
08:56:11: .........RifRaf:save the batteries to run away in case i scare you
08:56:21: ........Rebecca:lol, good plan :)
08:57:13: ........Rebecca:i got a battery master switch today. switches upto 12v 500A iirc :)
08:57:25: ........Rebecca:just in case something goes horribly wrong :)
08:57:56: .......katsmouw:bigarsed knife switch
08:58:01: ............crm:anyone know a free utility for rar files?
08:58:11: .......katsmouw:winrar
08:58:12: ........theBear:rar for win or linux ?
08:58:13: .........RifRaf:winrar works for me
08:58:32: ............crm:thought they wanted money
08:58:41: ........theBear:they just want a quick reinstall
08:58:42: ............crm:ill look again
08:58:44: .........RifRaf:not in the last 5 years
08:58:45: .......katsmouw:you thought i was, oh,, nm
08:59:24: .........RifRaf:crm wat are you pirateing?
08:59:40: ............crm:arr
08:59:43: .......katsmouw:
ACTION finishes the 3rd tall glass of wine

09:00:15: .........RifRaf:
ACTION downs his 5th platinum dry

09:00:49: .........RifRaf:i had to clear the table, thats how i counted
09:01:38: ...........fenn:
ACTION finishes his one large bottle of water

09:01:55: ...........fenn:yarrr.. that'll put some boobs on yer chest
09:02:07: ............Rif:stupid dialup
09:02:24: .......katsmouw:and all women have drunk water,, so that explains it
09:02:33: ............Rif:sucks seeing the adsl light on the other modem lit up
09:02:41: ...........fenn:its the pesticides, silly!
09:02:53: .......katsmouw:very likely
09:04:01: ........theBear:STOP ! SHOWERTIME !
09:04:10: ............Rif:no new adsl emails yet :(
09:04:13: ........theBear:WOOO-ooo-ooo-oh wooo-ooo-oo-oh ! can't touch this
09:04:16: ............Rif:hammertime
09:06:15: ............Rif:ok i see how the wing nuts and grubs screws hold everything in place now
09:06:55: ............Rif:and nylocks, all looks good katsmouw, as long as that sting it bloody strong
09:07:02: .......katsmouw:it is
09:07:02: ............Rif:string*
09:07:11: .......katsmouw:it's good for 100lbs or so
09:07:15: ............Rif:ok cool
09:07:38: ............Rif:i guess the force is distributed evenly among the 4 points of contact
09:07:48: .......katsmouw:yeas
09:08:14: .......katsmouw:and that stepper won't exert 100lb/inches
09:08:31: ............Rif:yep true, i forgot what was driving it
09:08:41: ............Rif:and is the load is not great should work fine
09:08:46: .......katsmouw:correct
09:08:55: .......katsmouw:it works for this situation
09:09:05: ............Rif:
ACTION nods

09:09:11: .......katsmouw:it is not an acnchor winch for the Queen Mary
09:09:19: ............Rif:true
09:11:16: ............Rif:no more soldering or coding for me tonight
09:11:34: ............Rif:theatro is here ready to start work
09:17:40: ............Rif:zorba wake up!
09:19:28: .......katsmouw:gnites
09:19:44: ............Rif:night katsmeow
09:20:31: ........theBear:
ACTION leaves the house with a stout club in search of chickens

09:21:48: ............Rif:g'luck
09:22:02: ........theBear:may the farce be with me
09:34:32: ............Rif:so yall gone to sleep?
09:34:45: ............crm:yea
09:34:54: ............crm:this site is asking me for money
09:34:54: ............Rif:me too i think
09:35:03: ............Rif:pay up biatch
09:35:32: ............crm:no way sunny jim.. there must be a free tool for rar files
09:35:44: ............Rif:crm you done any work on datalogger?
09:35:52: ............Rif:winrar works
09:35:53: ............crm:nope
09:35:58: ............Rif:why not?
09:36:18: ............Rif:work stressin you?
09:36:43: ............crm:not really
09:37:00: ............Rif:good, get something done then y dontcha
09:37:18: ............crm:not on your stuff
09:37:24: ............Rif::(
09:37:27: ............crm:you havent even finished the storage
09:37:32: ............Rif:biatch
09:37:44: ............Rif:i have gotten closer though
09:37:50: ............Rif:i bin workin hard
09:38:07: ............crm:yea.. i know.. good work
09:38:17: ............crm:just finish something and sell it =)
09:38:22: ............Rif:yeah you just sayin that homie
09:38:35: ............Rif:you be dissin me eh?
09:38:47: ............crm:pipe down spanky
09:39:12: ............Rif:ima fix you up homieG
09:39:22: ............Rif:real good, with some lead yo
09:39:34: ............Rif:yo get yo ass workin
09:41:28: ............crm:Rif
09:41:34: ............Rif:crm!
09:41:44: ............crm:can you find me a download to winrar please?
09:41:51: ............Rif:i'll dcc ok
09:41:59: ............crm:ok
09:42:00: ............Rif:i have old good versions on her somewhere
09:43:13: ............Rif:damn can't find install file
09:43:33: ............Rif:work harder
09:43:34: ............crm:if its free then there must be a link on the internet
09:43:47: ............Rif:nothing is free
09:43:57: ............Rif:but you can get anything for a price
09:44:13: ............crm:never had to pay for winzip
09:44:26: ............crm:there must be something... lma look around then
09:44:28: ............Rif:well ya don't need winzip
09:44:39: ............Rif:with xp's inbuilt winzip
09:44:49: ............Rif:crm winrar
09:45:02: ............Rif:why can you not find it wombatron?
09:45:53: ............crm:think ive found something
09:46:05: ............Rif:i would love a crispy yabbie right now
09:46:19: ............crm:go and catch one
09:46:19: ............Rif:crm can you send me a kilo?
09:46:24: ............Rif:no you
09:46:31: ............Rif:i''ll pay
09:46:32: ............crm:pfft... so you can boil them?
09:46:50: ............Rif:yes, i wanna boil their guts up and eat em
09:46:54: ............crm:naa.. it was way hard work just catching those ones
09:47:09: ............Rif:go on
09:47:18: ............Rif:you are just learning son
09:47:33: ............Rif:takes time to be a good yabbie hunter
09:47:57: ............Rif:6 of those big ones for $40
09:48:04: ............Rif:sent on ice
09:48:10: ............Rif:i'll pay postage
09:48:23: ............crm:they really werent that good
09:48:30: ............Rif:why not?
09:48:37: ............crm:you should be able to catch heaps in your river
09:48:40: ............Rif:you got shit water?
09:48:49: ............crm:lobster tail is way better
09:48:52: ............crm:not yet =)
09:48:54: ............Rif:i don't want no shit water yabbies now
09:49:13: ............Rif:i can get good bugs in town
09:49:56: ............Rif:is cool but, ya can't get bugs every day
09:50:11: ............Rif:so whe they are there is awesome
09:50:21: ............Rif:they have lobsters any day though
09:50:32: ............Rif:if you wanna pay about $50 a lobster
09:51:00: ............crm:i guess.. but at least you dont have to fight as much for the meal
09:51:11: .........Casper:blue lobster, try to get that
09:51:12: ............crm:like i said.. think i would prever imitation crab meat =)
09:51:19: ............crm:err prefer
09:51:46: ............Rif:i want sopme big tiger prawns
09:51:49: ............Rif:NOW
09:51:49: .........Casper:and it is said that female lobster taste better
09:52:11: ............Rif:and a small bug on the side
09:52:25: ............Rif:oh now i am all hungry :(
09:52:37: ............Rif:i have some donuts in the frigde
09:52:40: ............Rif:brb
09:54:54: .........Casper:
ACTION puts bitrex on Rif's donuts

09:55:50: ............Rif:Casper i hope thats some nice stuff
09:56:06: ............Rif:they sure smell good after 40 seconds in the nuke machine
09:56:12: .........Casper:the bittiest element known to mankind
09:56:39: ............Rif:mmm itty bittiest donuts
09:56:52: .........Casper:10ppm is tastable
09:57:12: ............Rif:Casper you musta missed
09:57:24: ............Rif:i think you got crms weetbix instead
09:57:39: .........Casper:must have ended in LyosNorezel stuff instead
09:57:40: ............crm:heh
09:58:04: .........Casper:that guy think you can hack a computer via the powerline... i.e. main
09:58:15: ............Rif:heh
09:58:37: .........Casper:he claim that it has been done
09:58:52: ............Rif:i claim i had 3 donuts
09:58:57: ............Rif:but 2 are missing
09:59:13: ............Rif:2.5
09:59:29: .........Casper:hu ho
09:59:40: ............Rif:ok who stole my donuts?
09:59:48: .........Casper:must be LyosNorezel that use his quantum theory to steal it!
09:59:51: ........theatro:possum
09:59:56: ........theatro:stole them
09:59:59: ............Rif:damn possum,
10:00:05: ........theatro:g'd morning
10:00:17: ............Rif:theatro you know wat, this possum is the n=best behaved one i have ever had
10:00:33: ............Rif:i have had some wild possum pets in my time
10:01:14: ............Rif:he drinks from the milk jar at night but thats ok
10:01:27: ............Rif:cause i put fresh milk in it in the morning
10:01:53: ........Rebecca:milk jar?
10:01:56: ............Rif:is just coffee milk, rest stays in the fridge, but the fridge is too far from coffee
10:02:20: ............Rif:so i have a little thing of lilk, lasts about 3 coffees
10:02:24: ............Rif:milk*
10:02:40: ............Rif:like a milk thing you would get in a cafe
10:02:47: ............Rif:watcha call it?
10:03:02: ........Rebecca:ahhh
10:03:24: ............Rif:i think you get the idea :)
10:03:29: ........Rebecca:mini-jug :)
10:03:31: ............Rif:you see its fine
10:03:39: ........Rebecca:hehe
10:03:41: ............Rif:milk lasts at least 4 hours out of the fridge
10:03:52: ............Rif:and in a metal container stays cool
10:04:09: ............Rif:life on the farm ya see bec
10:05:08: ............Rif:and the river is like so awesome
10:05:18: ............Rif:i went swimming after fishing last week
10:05:25: ........Rebecca:how would a metal container keep it cooler than a plastic container?
10:05:39: ............Rif:Rebecca the breeze in the house cools it
10:05:51: ............Rif:whereas plastic would insulate it
10:05:54: ............Rif:and warm it
10:05:56: .Triffid_Hunter:Rebecca: it doesn't, but metal feels cooler to the touch because it conducts your body's heat away faster
10:06:14: ........Rebecca:Rif: sounds like bad science ;P
10:06:22: .Triffid_Hunter:actually it would warm the fastest in a metal container unless it's a thermos
10:06:31: ............Rif:it does feel cool though even hours after takin it outta frigde, and does not go off
10:06:39: ............Rif:you can tell when it does
10:06:47: ........Rebecca:what you really need is a porus ceramic container. that would actually keep it cool :)
10:06:56: ............Rif:Triffid_Hunter seems to work for me still
10:07:07: ............Rif:Rebecca ok come up and help me
10:07:25: .Triffid_Hunter:Rebecca: would stink after a while though.. porous works fine for water, but you don't want milk to be left in the pores
10:07:29: ............Rif:you can get your coffee milk from the fridge if you like
10:07:36: ........Rebecca:Triffid_Hunter: yeah. hehe
10:07:43: ............Rif:its in the caravan, i don't live there
10:07:45: ........Rebecca:i dont drink milk anyway :)
10:07:48: ............Rif:cool
10:08:03: ............Rif:got lotsa beer and port
10:08:15: ............Rif:and rum if you get here on a weekend
10:08:56: ............Rif:its thanksgiving this wekend
10:09:08: ............Rif:better buy prawnws
10:10:10: ........Rebecca:well.. i do have the weekend off
10:10:21: ........Rebecca:but i'll be busy with scooter stuff :)
10:10:24: ............Rif:well dammit you should come up
10:10:32: ............Rif:i have my servers stable
10:10:37: ............Rif:i hope
10:10:56: ........Rebecca:lol
10:12:17: ........Rebecca:oh. the battery cable i got was 4gauge.. might be overkill.. but damn, looks cool :)
10:12:30: ............Rif:lots stands?
10:12:35: ............Rif:strands*
10:12:53: ............Rif:the big stuff dse has?
10:13:21: ............Rif:i find that its all watsed when you get to the connector
10:13:37: ............Rif:unless you have car battery stuff connectors
10:15:04: ............Rif:k night yall
10:15:12: ........Rebecca:no idea how many strands... but the copper core is 10mm wide
10:15:17: ............Rif:yep
10:15:22: ............Rif:thats very decent
10:15:44: ............Rif:got a recent pic rebecca?
10:16:49: ............Rif:10mm is huge
10:17:15: ........Rebecca:of my scooter parts? lol
10:17:32: ........Rebecca:oh the parts i have! can't wait to build them into a whole
10:17:35: ............Rif:yep sure
10:17:54: ........Rebecca:ill take some pics of my recent purchases
10:17:59: ............Rif:ok cool
10:18:09: ............Rif:hurry now, i am gettin sleepuy
10:18:39: ............Rif:crm why is your new job stressful?
10:23:46: ..........horar:all those pretty nurses probably.
10:23:46: ............Rif:gooten natch libkins
10:24:06: ............Rif:nite horar
10:24:18: ..........horar:so soon?
10:24:34: ..........horar:i've only just started work. was hoping you'd keep me company. :)
10:24:36: ............Rif:yeah i am tired
10:24:45: ............Rif::( sorry
10:24:59: ............Rif:i'll be up to see you off to bed though
10:25:06: ..........horar:that's cool. i'd probably just be grumpy anyway. too much work and not enough robots make me spit.
10:25:22: ..........horar:have a good one, and ttyt
10:25:22: ............Rif:yeah, grumpy horars are no fun
10:25:30: ..........horar:
ACTION growls

10:25:33: ..........horar::)
10:25:41: ..........horar:nearly finished this damn plant website.
10:25:49: ............Rif:will do, have a good one, night walker
10:26:28: ............Rif:horar make crm do work if he hangs around aimlessly all night
10:26:54: ..........horar:yeah i'll try.
10:27:20: ............Rif:yeah he is a lazy young lad, small attention span
10:27:57: ............Rif:Rebecca are the pics close?
10:28:07: ..........horar:hmm. he wouldn't tell me his age. now i know why.
10:28:29: ........Rebecca:Rif: kinda :)
10:28:31: ............Rif:he wouldn't tell me either, should we have a guess?
10:28:46: ............Rif:my guess is 23
10:29:06: ............Rif:and it really is a guess cause the biatch has not told me either
10:30:25: ............Rif:Rebecca and here you was boastin bout yer adsl2
10:31:07: ........Rebecca:the human is the bottleneck here :P
10:33:55: ............crm:i officially finish at my current job this thursday
10:34:03: ............crm:it is a bit stressful
10:34:21: ............Rif:ohh i can feel the strreesss
10:34:32: ............Rif:wats stressful son?
10:35:12: ............crm:bit difficult to explain
10:35:22: ............crm:but .. its only till thursday
10:35:28: ............crm:then 2 weeks off!
10:36:16: ..........horar:'ullo kiddo
10:36:34: ..........horar:crm: you know much about XHTML?
10:36:48: ............crm:not strictly
10:37:02: ............Rif:crm how old are you punk?
10:37:09: ............Rif:tell me for i go sleep
10:37:31: ..........horar:yes good question. i'd guess somewhere between 20 and 40.
10:37:57: ............Rif:i guess 23
10:38:03: ..........horar:although unlike Mr Raf, it doesn't keep me awake at night
10:38:10: ............Rif:tell us or else we will beat you
10:38:21: ............Rif:horar :P
10:39:26: ..........horar:\msg do you think we scared him away?
10:39:50: ..........horar:
ACTION gets back to work

10:39:54: ..........horar:sleep tight folks
10:40:01: ............Rif:\msg horar oh he is a big wierdo, who knows
10:40:20: ............Rif:i am going to sleep :P
10:40:26: ..........horar:lol
10:40:27: ........Rebecca:1min~
10:40:28: ........Rebecca:!
10:40:35: ............Rif:ok i am stayin alive
10:40:36: ............crm:i have work to do
10:40:38: ............Rif:woo hoo hoo
10:40:54: ............crm:and should be sleeping
10:40:57: ............Rif:crm answer the damn question wombat
10:41:09: ..........horar:lmao
10:42:29: ........Rebecca:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/beccasfotos/4gaugecable.jpg
10:42:42: ........Rebecca:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/beccasfotos/scooter/assortedtransistors.jpg
10:43:01: ............Rif:yay
10:43:27: ........Rebecca:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/beccasfotos/scooter/4gaugecable.jpg
10:43:32: ........Rebecca:oops first is wrong
10:43:44: ........Rebecca:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/beccasfotos/scooter/batteryisolator.jpg
10:44:03: ............Rif:those things don't work if you leave em in the plastic bags ya know
10:44:12: ........Rebecca:der :)
10:46:16: ............Rif:is that cable realy 10mm ID?
10:46:41: ............Rif:all looks good though
10:46:55: ............Rif:hook her up, lookin forward to seeing it in the morning
10:47:17: ........Rebecca:crap. i read the specs wrong. it's 7.7mm ID 10mm OD
10:47:28: ........Rebecca:hehe
10:47:33: ............Rif::P
10:47:39: ............Rif:thought i had seen it before
10:47:58: ............Rif:is decent cable though
10:48:04: ............Rif:i must sleep
10:48:10: ............Rif:night yall
10:58:46: ........Rebecca:night Rif :)
11:07:16: ............crm:nite
11:07:25: ............crm:man i hate ironing
11:11:04: ........Rebecca:hehe
11:11:11: ........Rebecca:i never iron :)
11:16:23: ..........horar:"Jesus has just changed your life. Save changes?"
11:17:07: ........Rebecca:lol
11:17:29: ........nopcode:yeah, lol
11:18:31: ............crm:hrm
11:18:31: ..........horar:http://engis.blogspot.com/ <-- some excellent quotes, and scroll down for the buttons. pity so few are in english.
11:18:45: ............crm:plenty of women in the newspaper that will have sex with you for money
11:18:51: ............crm:but none that will do the ironing
11:19:33: ..........horar:you're just looking in the wrong section.
11:20:03: ........theBear:hehe
11:25:58: ........theBear:
ACTION considers... dead sdram should have a little 8 pin i2c/serial eeprom...

11:26:28: ...........fenn:jesus saves anyway, so you dont have to stuff about
11:26:31: ........theBear:probly about err... not big... maybe 1k or something.. usually got about 128 bytes of info if i'm not wrong
11:27:44: ........Rebecca:http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?productID=283
11:30:17: ...........fenn: if you're looking for admiration and love, if you want respect and affection, if you want to come home at night and find little faces pressed against the glass waiting, then buy yourself an ant farm. <-- katsmeooo
11:30:26: ............crm:whats on the plan for today fenn ?
11:30:39: ...........fenn:oh gee i dunno yet
11:30:43: ............crm:=)
11:30:44: ........Rebecca:hehe
11:30:49: ...........fenn:i think i'll take a nice twelve hour nap
11:31:24: ............crm:then what?
11:31:58: ...........fenn:um.. then i'll spod for a couple hours and then go sit on the heater vent for a while
11:32:20: ............crm:whats spod?
11:32:47: ...........fenn:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spod
11:34:30: ........theBear:hmm... we always used burley springs....
11:34:41: ...........fenn:like spud, but a computer potato
11:34:51: ........theBear:sounds more like a d&d potato to me
11:35:33: ...........fenn:is burley springs a potato farm?
11:35:37: ........theBear:i don't even know enough about that stuff to use the term as an insult with any conviction..... i might be talking to a NUTS style talker ?!!?!?
11:36:30: ........theBear:hehehe... its a symmetrical cone shaped bit of bent metal, tossed out on a BIG rod with heavy stuff (generally burley) that fish love in it.... then you and all your friends toss out regular lines with little or no bait and pull in loads of fish
11:39:00: ............crm:theres a couple of definitions there.. which one fenn ?
11:41:30: ...........fenn:oh a little of neither
11:42:55: ............crm:you're not building stuff and keeping it from team robot are you?
11:43:05: ............crm:im watching you young fenn
11:43:12: ............crm:=)
11:43:36: ...........fenn:team robot is simply an extension of my vast network of black ops research groups
11:44:00: ...........fenn:there's no way to find out of course; our security is too strong
11:44:54: ...........fenn:rest assured, your contributions are making a better world
11:44:57: ............crm:theres a group of you that run around with plastic rings out of a weetbix packet?
11:45:33: ...........fenn:those are to be used only in an emergency when no other lines of communication are available
11:46:16: ............crm:lol
11:46:35: ...........fenn:
ACTION goes to consult the praetorian high council on this matter..

12:09:42: ............crm:http://www.exetel.com.au/a_plan_pricing_current.php
12:49:31: ......anonimasu:hello
12:49:54: ............crm:hey veronica
12:49:57: ............crm:at work?
12:50:27: ......anonimasu:yes
12:50:34: ......anonimasu:got the sensor I ordered
12:50:53: ............crm:which one was that?
12:51:24: ......anonimasu:a fork sensor
12:51:34: .......wildmage:fenn, did you mention swig to me?
12:53:01: ......anonimasu:
ACTION draws crap

12:57:40: ......anonimasu::)
12:57:42: ......anonimasu:as usual..
12:58:23: ............crm:from where?
12:58:39: ......anonimasu:me?
12:58:43: ......anonimasu:out of my ass..
12:58:43: ......anonimasu::D
12:58:55: ............crm:hrm
12:59:00: ........Rebecca:better out than in :)
12:59:02: ............crm:i could think of better hobbies
12:59:03: ......anonimasu:yeah
12:59:08: ......anonimasu:drawing stuff?
12:59:11: ......anonimasu:heh..
12:59:56: ......anonimasu:nah
13:00:54: ............crm:im looking at 4wds
13:00:56: ......anonimasu:it's nice..
13:00:59: ............crm:trying to get some sleep
13:01:21: ......anonimasu:4wd is nice :)
13:01:39: ............crm:yea.. but can't get one until march next year
13:01:49: ............crm:and still dunno what type
13:02:08: ........Rebecca:night all :)
13:02:11: ......anonimasu:I have a 4wd car tjough not that kind of thing you are thinking of :)
13:02:13: ......anonimasu:night Rebecca
13:02:14: ............crm:nite
13:02:24: ........Rebecca::)
13:02:42: ............crm:yea.. the sort of car you can fit people in
13:02:45: .........kaeles:nite
13:03:29: ......anonimasu:I can fit 2 people in my car nicely ;)
13:03:42: ............crm:ahh. nice
13:04:34: ......anonimasu:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/6694.jpg
13:04:44: ......anonimasu:though not with _that_ brutal wing..
13:04:56: ......anonimasu:that's the wrc addon thing, they sold it with for a while :)
13:05:03: ............crm:cool
13:05:10: ............crm:what colour is yours?
13:05:13: ......anonimasu:silver
13:05:24: ............crm:yea.. black is hard to keep clean
13:05:28: ......anonimasu:my last car was black so I didnt want another black car :)
13:05:48: ............crm:also not good for heat
13:05:56: ............crm:what trouble did you have?
13:06:02: ......anonimasu:with the old car?
13:06:08: ......anonimasu:I got tired of it :)
13:06:11: ............crm:the black one
13:06:21: ......anonimasu:oh, never mananged to keep it clean enough
13:07:24: ............crm:there must be a way for me to import a cheap US vehicle
13:07:41: ............crm:
ACTION keeps googling

13:07:52: ......anonimasu:arent japan veichles cheap there?
13:08:16: ............crm:maybe i should look on ebay japan
13:08:22: ............crm:good idea =)
13:08:39: ............crm:just thought they wouldnt have many 4wds
13:10:51: ......anonimasu:they have some, :)
13:11:39: ......anonimasu:argh, damn this part.
13:20:11: ......anonimasu:I fear machining this.
13:20:21: ............crm:looks like the dodge ram is as rare there as it is here
13:23:54: ......anonimasu:lol
13:23:56: ......anonimasu:yeah.
13:24:31: ......anonimasu:crap..
13:24:33: ......anonimasu:murder part.
13:25:47: ......anonimasu:im not looking forward to it.
13:26:28: ......anonimasu:will post a picture later
13:26:33: ............crm:=)
13:26:36: ............crm:just get it done
13:26:44: ............crm:im not gonna be up for much longer
13:27:04: ......anonimasu:lol..
13:27:31: ......anonimasu:ah well..
13:27:32: ......anonimasu:tomorrow..
13:27:33: ......anonimasu::)
13:32:04: ......anonimasu:82.99.104.35/part1.jpg
13:32:08: ......anonimasu:http://82.99.104.35/part1.jpg
13:33:04: ......anonimasu:*sigh*
13:33:17: ............crm:what sort of material?
13:33:24: ......anonimasu:alu..
13:33:29: ......anonimasu:or acetal..
13:33:31: ......anonimasu:havent decided yet..
13:35:50: ......anonimasu:al/plastic..
13:35:59: ......anonimasu:might need to prototype in both..
13:36:46: ......anonimasu:rather im certain.
13:42:17: ...........fenn:whats so bad about that?
13:43:12: ......anonimasu:there'a s sensor that needs to fit..
13:43:24: ......anonimasu:it's just a annoying part
13:43:47: ...........fenn:wildmage: yes but i've never used swig, so i can't really help, if that's what you were asking
13:46:22: .......wildmage:fenn, no, it's basically a C/C++ wrapper for every other language in existence
13:46:35: .......wildmage:fenn, it's not really used to access other languages from C/C++
13:46:39: .......wildmage:if that makes
13:46:40: .......wildmage:sense
13:46:45: .......wildmage:anyway, sleepy time
13:47:09: ...........fenn:nini
13:48:00: ...........fenn:
ACTION doesnt know many other people who go to bed at 10 am

13:49:24: ......anonimasu:hehe
13:58:20: ............crm:finished yet?
14:01:14: ......anonimasu:me?
14:01:24: ......anonimasu:yes, though I still need to machine it..
14:05:11: ......anonimasu:but I have a toolpath now
17:18:27: ......rue_house:anonimasu, how you going to hold that down while is being worked on?
17:31:48: ......anonimasu:rue_house: I'll machine it out on the last lass
17:32:05: ......anonimasu:or leave 0.04mm
17:32:22: ......rue_house:smart card reader. hmmmmm
17:32:36: ......rue_house:hey, isn't a card for a sat dish reciever a smart card?
17:32:46: ......rue_house:hmmm
17:33:22: ......rue_house:I think it is
17:35:10: ......anonimasu:yes
17:35:19: ......anonimasu:that's how I'll do it..
17:35:33: ......rue_house:Bus 002 Device 002: ID 08e6:3437 Gemplus GemPC Twin SmartCard Reader
17:35:38: ......rue_house:hmmm
17:35:53: ......anonimasu:no..
17:35:58: ......anonimasu:actually I'll part it in the lathe..
17:35:58: ......rue_house:what?
17:36:05: ......anonimasu:as the stock is round..
17:36:06: ......rue_house:heh
17:36:15: ......rue_house:how many things ou ever made on a cnc?
17:36:25: ......anonimasu:lots..
17:36:37: ......rue_house:so....
17:36:46: ......anonimasu:but I dont have too much plastic stock..
17:36:58: ......anonimasu:just bars :)
17:38:53: ......anonimasu:why you wondering?
17:42:03: ......rue_house:cause it dosn't sound like you though much about it yet
17:42:21: ......rue_house:ohh, the smart card dosn't just come up as a filesystem
17:42:36: ......rue_house:thats no fun
17:42:50: ......anonimasu:rue_house: though most stuff I've done are one off stuff..
17:43:42: ......anonimasu:it's a whole different game when you need lots of fixtures to do stuff :)
17:43:47: ......rue_house:you still need to be abel to get it out of the machine:/
17:44:55: ......anonimasu:yeah, but with a good fixture you can machine everywhere on your part.. and still have it in place..
18:02:07: ......rue_house:"you have almost done everything on your list"
18:02:33: ......rue_house:"yes, but that last one, 'taking over the world' thats, going to be a big one"
18:31:26: ........mumptai:good evening
19:06:04: .........RifRaf:g'day Tom_L
19:09:05: ..........Tom_L:Hi rif
19:15:38: .........RifRaf:get the digikey order?
19:15:59: ..........Tom_L:shipped this moring
19:16:20: ..........Tom_L:got a card for 7
19:16:39: .........RifRaf:$7?
19:16:44: ..........Tom_L:64m
19:16:51: .........RifRaf:cool
19:16:54: ..........Tom_L:big enough for this
19:16:59: .........RifRaf:heaps
19:17:50: .........RifRaf:hooking the card upto datalogger to test out the code
19:18:00: .........RifRaf:making 10 pin adapter still
19:20:34: ..........Tom_L:you're right
19:22:08: .........RifRaf:about?
19:22:30: ..........Tom_L:i am gonna make you strip all that garbage off before storing it..
19:22:48: ..........Tom_L:we'll make a structure and send it that way
19:22:51: .........RifRaf:huh wat?
19:23:08: ..........Tom_L:then re-construct the output to the serial when we send it out
19:23:10: .........RifRaf:you looking at my code?
19:23:23: ..........Tom_L:nope
19:23:27: ..........Tom_L:not yet
19:23:44: ..........Tom_L:i saved a copy though
19:23:45: .........RifRaf:oh srtip off the xml stuff
19:23:51: ..........Tom_L:yep
19:23:55: .........RifRaf:for the pastebin last night?
19:24:10: ..........Tom_L::)
19:24:11: .........RifRaf:i'll dcc it when you are ready
19:24:19: .........RifRaf:not much had changed
19:24:56: ..........Tom_L:the vars are already defined, all we gotta do is put em in a structure
19:25:17: ..........Tom_L:then when we pull em outta memory we'll parse it out back into the structrue
19:25:34: ..........Tom_L:much more efficient
19:26:21: ..........Tom_L:then once we know the size of the structure, we can set the block size to that for writing blocks to the mem
19:26:34: ..........Tom_L:so each block will be a rec
19:26:38: .........RifRaf:yep sounds good
19:27:08: ..........Tom_L:a block can be as small as 1 byte
19:27:39: ..........Tom_L:i gotta dust the cob webs off my c now
19:28:13: .........RifRaf:yay
19:28:36: ..........Tom_L:then maybe i'll be almost as good as you
19:28:46: .........RifRaf:meanie
19:28:55: ..........Tom_L:fact
19:29:11: .........RifRaf:i can't code my way out of a wet paper bag
19:29:28: ..........Tom_L:just gotta break the task down to simple parts
19:29:38: ..........Tom_L:fix a part at a time
19:29:55: .........RifRaf:thats wat i do
19:30:04: .........RifRaf:i have the code to initialis card workin now
19:30:18: ..........Tom_L:i got 3 cards in case i get pissed off and smash one
19:30:19: .........RifRaf:just gotta hook card up to test
19:30:33: .........RifRaf:and hopefully will dump info all around the mmc
19:30:40: .........RifRaf:cool
19:30:41: ..........Tom_L:did the pic code help at all?
19:30:51: .........RifRaf:er. not yet
19:31:14: .........RifRaf:have not been stuck enough to look at it yet sorry
19:31:24: ..........Tom_L:send what ya got
19:31:49: ..........Tom_L:oh, i changed the mmc.h if you want it
19:32:03: ..........Tom_L:added a few things they left out
19:32:18: ...katsmeow-afk:this place is nuts : a subcompact car cut in front of a gigantic school bus, and to avoid a fender bender which might have damaged the ittybitty car, the bus driver drove the bus full of kids off a bridge, killing students
19:32:21: .........RifRaf:ah ok
19:32:30: .........RifRaf:yep saw the bus
19:32:49: ..........Tom_L:did he walk away?
19:33:08: ...katsmeow-afk:the ittybitty car drove off untouched, they don't know where it is
19:33:10: ..........Tom_L:they should charge him with manslauter
19:33:53: ..........Tom_L:well my mother got killed the same way and the person walked away with not even a ticket
19:34:10: ...katsmeow-afk:it's rather like the gasoline tank truck that crashed and exploded and took out a $multi-million interstate highway bridge here, to avoid rear tapping a ittybitty car
19:34:11: ..........Tom_L:no insurance no remorse no nothin
19:34:46: ...katsmeow-afk:sheesh, i'd plow the car over, twice
19:34:59: ..........Tom_L:skipped the state
19:35:11: ..........Tom_L:bitch
19:35:13: ...katsmeow-afk:if someone hasto die in the wreck, at least let it be the guilty
19:35:38: ..........Tom_L:not you , the female driver
19:35:51: ...katsmeow-afk:but the cops here *refuse* to arrest the slow drivers
19:36:55: ...katsmeow-afk:there's several intesections here that have had the highest wreck rate of the state, and always because of slow drivers suddenly turning in front of normal traffic
19:37:23: ..........Tom_L:now dad's in a home with $2000/mo meds wasting away tryin to cope
19:37:25: ...katsmeow-afk:70mph, and they'll slow to 45
19:37:45: ...katsmeow-afk:$2k/mo?! damn
19:38:21: ...katsmeow-afk:they'll just havto let me die, i don't have that kinda money, i'm not worth it
19:38:26: ..........Tom_L:they're runnin out of stuff to give him
19:39:05: ..........Tom_L:you can only take stuff so long before it doesn't work any more
19:39:16: ...katsmeow-afk:what's it for?
19:39:49: ..........Tom_L:hard to tell at this point
19:40:11: ...katsmeow-afk:they giving him drugs for unknown reasons?
19:41:06: ..........Tom_L:is a story i don't care to tell
19:41:13: ...katsmeow-afk:k, np
19:41:58: ...katsmeow-afk:
ACTION offers lunch snacks and drinks

19:43:06: ...katsmeow-afk:caution, the cookies have rum in them
19:43:37: ...katsmeow-afk:btw, for xmas, doesn't Santa's snow sled get stuck in the mud in Oz?
19:44:17: .........RifRaf:he has kangaroos to help out here
19:44:53: ..........Tom_L:Rif, we need to comment each function so as this project grows, we can keep track of what they do
19:45:05: ...katsmeow-afk:ah
19:45:19: ...katsmeow-afk:i tend to comment each line, sometimes
19:45:27: ...katsmeow-afk:if it's tricky code
19:46:51: ..........Tom_L:rif, here's that header file
19:46:51: ..........Tom_L:they didn't leave anything too significant out
19:46:51: .........RifRaf:k try again
19:47:00: .........RifRaf:got the card ready to plug in here
19:47:04: ..........Tom_L:stuff like reading the operating v of the card etc
19:47:51: .........RifRaf:thanks
19:47:57: ..........Tom_L:put it in the avrlib dir
19:48:09: .........RifRaf:need mmc.c again
19:48:10: ..........Tom_L:you can compare the diff
19:48:16: ..........Tom_L:why?
19:48:27: ..........Tom_L:you do?
19:48:40: .........RifRaf:didn't seem to download, i'll check
19:48:50: ..........Tom_L:mmc.c didn't change
19:48:54: .........RifRaf:ah ok
19:48:58: ..........Tom_L:i just picked the wrong file
19:49:05: .........RifRaf:ok testing the mmc now :)
19:49:12: .........RifRaf:the pin out seems correct
19:49:38: ..........Tom_L:soon as i get a tracking no i'll know when my stuff gets here
19:49:50: ..........Tom_L:it should be here before the holiday
19:50:03: ..........Tom_L:i think digikey is 1 or 2 days
19:50:27: .........RifRaf::(
19:50:33: .........RifRaf:card di not initialise
19:51:25: ..........Tom_L:#define MMC_DEBUG 1
19:51:35: ..........Tom_L:and it'll print stuff for you
19:51:44: .........RifRaf:found a reason
19:51:47: .........RifRaf:ok
19:51:52: ..........Tom_L:i wanna know the values of the regs
19:55:36: .........RifRaf:yay its working :)
19:56:29: .........RifRaf:ok has writen upto sector 1500 or so
19:57:09: .........RifRaf:time to checkon linux
19:57:18: ..........Tom_L:is buffer updating now?
19:57:28: ........theBear:is the speed dictated by the mmc top speed or your code ?
19:57:46: ..........Tom_L:there's a delay in it
19:57:57: ..........Tom_L:like 3 sec it appears
19:58:07: .........RifRaf:yes
19:58:10: ..........Tom_L:eventually we're gonna use a rtc
19:58:13: ........theBear:what is the top speed (data, approx) for a mmc ?
19:58:18: ........theBear:writing/reading ?
19:58:22: .........RifRaf:dunno, am using 115200
19:58:26: .........RifRaf:oh
19:58:29: .........RifRaf:u have no clue
19:58:34: ..........Tom_L:up to the processor clock
19:58:44: ........theBear:but they can't go THAT fast can they ?
19:58:55: ..........Tom_L:but 2k if i recall
19:59:02: ..........Tom_L:i can't honestly remember
19:59:19: ..........Tom_L:it's a bidirectional serial stream
19:59:24: ..........Tom_L:clocked by the master
19:59:30: ........theBear:mm..... but to confirm my theory, you can't drive them real fast.... cool
19:59:42: .........RifRaf:W00T fricken W00T
19:59:45: ..........Tom_L:yeah, within limits
19:59:54: ..........Tom_L:don't upset the cows...
20:00:08: .........RifRaf:Tom_L it works :)
20:00:18: .........RifRaf:ok, help me get real data in there please
20:00:20: ..........Tom_L:good. lets break it again
20:00:41: ..........Tom_L:is the block size still 512
20:00:43: .........RifRaf:had to chang CS tp PB2 for this pcb
20:00:47: .........RifRaf:no 64
20:00:57: ..........Tom_L:how do you know
20:00:58: .........RifRaf:and thats way huge still
20:01:03: .........RifRaf:because i changed it
20:01:10: ..........Tom_L:how does the mmc card know
20:01:15: .........RifRaf:dunno
20:01:17: ..........Tom_L:you must tell it
20:01:18: ..........Tom_L::)
20:01:34: .........RifRaf:but i have a block of text, then a bit blank spot, then more text, and on and on it goes
20:01:48: ..........Tom_L:how big a blank spot?
20:01:48: .........RifRaf:big* blank
20:01:57: ..........Tom_L:yeah 512 - 64 big
20:02:04: ..........Tom_L:count it
20:02:15: .........RifRaf:maybe 200+ lines
20:02:26: ..........Tom_L:you must tell the mmc how big the block size is :)
20:02:34: .........RifRaf:and then about 6 lines of text
20:02:36: ..........Tom_L:then the big blank spot will go away
20:02:42: .........RifRaf:help me sir
20:02:57: .........RifRaf:i just changed what you did a bit
20:03:00: ..........Tom_L:just ask it nicely in a language it understands
20:03:15: ..........Tom_L:what did you change?
20:03:20: ..........Tom_L:the txt thing?
20:03:23: ..........Tom_L:buffer size?
20:03:28: .........RifRaf:so all i did was change the data size to 64blocks?
20:03:35: .........RifRaf:or buffer size
20:03:39: ..........Tom_L:yep
20:03:45: .........RifRaf:well i tried
20:03:48: ..........Tom_L:the block size is still 512
20:03:49: .........RifRaf:and it does something
20:03:50: .........RifRaf:yay
20:04:05: .........RifRaf:ok sir, how does one change it?
20:04:06: ..........Tom_L:now after init
20:04:14: ..........Tom_L:you need to send mmc a command
20:04:21: ..........Tom_L:so find that function
20:06:00: ..........Tom_L:i think it's mmcsendcommand(cmd, value)
20:06:16: .........RifRaf:Typical cards can
20:06:17: .........RifRaf:/// operate at up to 25MHz maximum SPI clock rate (thus faster than most
20:06:17: .........RifRaf:/// AVR's maximum SPI clock rate).
20:06:27: .........RifRaf:so we are fine
20:06:37: ..........Tom_L:cmd is MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN
20:06:45: ..........Tom_L:value is 64
20:06:55: ..........Tom_L:pay attention
20:07:14: .........RifRaf:i am trying
20:07:54: ..........Tom_L:where does mmcreset get called?
20:08:01: ..........Tom_L:line no
20:08:48: ........theBear:mmm.... thats not THAT slow, for most things
20:09:12: ..........Tom_L:not for serial anyway
20:09:22: .........RifRaf:Tom_L ok i need to mod mmc.c then
20:09:27: ..........Tom_L:no
20:09:28: ........theBear:definately not for serial ;)
20:09:46: .........RifRaf:// set block length to 512 bytes
20:09:46: .........RifRaf: r1 = mmcSendCommand(MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN, 512);
20:10:06: ..........Tom_L:where's that at?
20:10:10: ..........Tom_L:in mmc?
20:10:11: .........RifRaf:mmc.c
20:10:18: ..........Tom_L:don't worry about it
20:10:23: .........RifRaf:in the initialise routine
20:10:24: ..........Tom_L:we'll just override it
20:10:27: ..........Tom_L:i don't care
20:10:34: .........RifRaf:freak
20:10:36: ......anonimasu:hm..
20:10:41: .........RifRaf:you told me to find it
20:10:46: ..........Tom_L:great
20:10:57: .........RifRaf:ok i am changing mmc.c
20:10:57: ........theBear:hehe
20:11:00: ..........Tom_L:now where do you call it in dataloggermmc
20:11:08: ..........Tom_L:don't you dare
20:11:09: .........RifRaf:in the setup routing
20:11:21: ......anonimasu:*yawn*
20:11:24: ..........Tom_L:ok right after that line put this
20:11:36: .........RifRaf:are you sure?
20:11:44: ..........Tom_L:is it the mmcstart() one?
20:12:04: .........RifRaf:yeah, i changed mmc.c already
20:12:10: ..........Tom_L:damit
20:12:11: .........RifRaf:seems like the right place :P
20:12:17: ..........Tom_L:no
20:12:20: .........RifRaf::(
20:12:30: ..........Tom_L:the default start up size is 512
20:12:31: .........RifRaf:but thats where the card gets setup sir
20:12:36: ..........Tom_L:i know
20:12:45: ..........Tom_L:but we're gonna let it set up then change it
20:12:54: .........RifRaf:crazy talk
20:13:09: ........theBear:i gotta admit, i'm with rif..... crazy talk
20:13:17: ..........Tom_L:just send it a command like mmccomand(MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN,64);
20:13:24: ..........Tom_L:right below the init line
20:13:30: ..........Tom_L:then run it
20:13:38: ..........Tom_L:or x - mmccommand...
20:13:42: ..........Tom_L:damit
20:13:48: ..........Tom_L:x= mmccommand...
20:14:01: ........theBear:l8r
20:14:05: .........RifRaf:cya theBear
20:14:08: ..........Tom_L:x will tell you if it worked
20:14:37: ..........Tom_L:u08 x
20:14:49: .........RifRaf:Tom_L why can't we change the mmc.c ?
20:14:56: .........RifRaf:you did
20:15:03: ..........Tom_L:i added to it
20:15:05: .........RifRaf:you told me you added stuff
20:15:08: ..........Tom_L:i didn't modify it
20:15:34: ..........Tom_L:so then when you crash and reinstall the avr stuff it won't work
20:15:41: .........RifRaf:correct
20:15:56: .........RifRaf:ok then, i'll try your way
20:15:58: ..........Tom_L:there are functions written to send commands to the card
20:16:00: .........RifRaf:brb
20:16:16: ..........Tom_L:by default it starts with a block size of 512 anyway
20:16:31: ..........Tom_L:so the function isn't really changing anything on init
20:17:13: ..........Tom_L:once again... i hate libs
20:17:30: .........RifRaf:mmcInit();
20:17:30: .........RifRaf: mmcSendCommand(MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN, 64);
20:17:33: .........RifRaf:like so?
20:18:06: ..........Tom_L:yeah except you may wanna put x = mmcsendcommand
20:18:09: .........RifRaf:ok compiles. testing
20:18:14: .........RifRaf:why?
20:18:17: ..........Tom_L:so you can see the results
20:18:21: ..........Tom_L:if it worked or not
20:18:32: .........RifRaf:i'll just see it the gap is smaller on linux
20:18:34: ..........Tom_L:the value it returns is found in mmc.h
20:18:37: ..........Tom_L:ok
20:18:40: ..........Tom_L:that works for me
20:20:04: ..........Tom_L:you should do this
20:20:07: ..........Tom_L:x = mmcSendCommand(MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN, 64);
20:20:07: ..........Tom_L:rprintf("MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN: R1=0x%x\r\n", x);
20:20:51: .........RifRaf:is writting away
20:20:57: ..........Tom_L:great
20:21:02: ..........Tom_L:there should be no gap
20:21:06: .........RifRaf:ok
20:21:11: ..........Tom_L:i hope
20:21:28: .........RifRaf:ok i'll wait for 1000 blocks
20:21:42: .........RifRaf:done, testing time
20:21:50: ..........Tom_L:linux?
20:22:17: .........RifRaf:on linux
20:22:22: .........RifRaf:same size gap
20:22:33: .........RifRaf:ima change mmc.c dammit
20:22:54: ..........Tom_L:won't fix it
20:23:05: ..........Tom_L:we need to send it something else first
20:23:25: .........RifRaf::(
20:23:47: ..........Tom_L:go print the defines from the mmc.h file
20:24:02: .........RifRaf:just let me test this, one min
20:25:22: .........RifRaf:if it works we can copy the init code to our project so save issues in future
20:27:48: .........RifRaf:ok didn't fix it :(
20:28:00: ..........Tom_L:i won't say anything
20:28:07: .........RifRaf:say it
20:28:26: .........RifRaf:so wats the next solution
20:28:57: .........RifRaf:repaired mmc.c
20:29:07: ..........Tom_L:add that code i sent you
20:29:12: ..........Tom_L:scroll.
20:29:19: .........RifRaf:about 20 lines up?
20:29:23: ..........Tom_L:yep
20:29:25: .........RifRaf:k
20:29:37: ..........Tom_L:you gotta init x
20:29:45: ..........Tom_L:u08 x
20:29:51: ..........Tom_L:somewherer
20:30:50: ......rue_house:can you guys read back that data ok yet?
20:31:09: ..........Tom_L:rue i don't knwo
20:31:17: ..........Tom_L:he can see it in linux though
20:31:25: ..........Tom_L:we're trying to change the block size right now
20:31:27: ......rue_house:or are you just skipping that and trying to get reading and writing working at the same time?
20:31:39: ......rue_house:did he write the file to it?
20:31:42: ..........Tom_L:yes
20:31:58: ......rue_house:raw?
20:32:00: ..........Tom_L:it's just in a loop writing blocks to the card
20:32:05: ..........Tom_L:yeay
20:32:27: ..........Tom_L:but we need to be able to control the block length
20:32:31: ......rue_house:ok, so if you try to read back the first 255 characters back off the card on the avr, do you get the right data?
20:32:39: .........RifRaf:rue_house yes dammit
20:32:43: .........RifRaf:for days
20:32:58: ..........Tom_L:well, he's been out tryin to miss his thumb
20:33:05: ......rue_house:ok, your code can read the card ok, thats great
20:33:15: ......rue_house:it starts in the right place and everything?
20:33:21: .........RifRaf:we have no read ability in our current code yet
20:33:28: .........RifRaf:just writing, reading on linux
20:34:19: ..........Tom_L:what do i need to breadboard one of these, just pwr and xtal?
20:34:50: .........RifRaf:MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN: R1=0x00
20:34:50: .........RifRaf:MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN: R1=0x00
20:34:56: .........RifRaf:both say same thing
20:34:57: ......rue_house:is that why your fixing the library code now?
20:35:26: ..........Tom_L:rue i just added some defines they left out of the .h file
20:35:28: .........RifRaf:ok tom is writing, will test on linux now, i changed a word in the string to be sure its changing
20:35:32: ..........Tom_L:for some minor stuff
20:35:57: ......rue_house:did that person who was trying to get the stepper working ever come back?
20:36:00: ..........Tom_L:you can read what v the card is rated for and stuff like that
20:36:09: ..........Tom_L:haven't seen him
20:36:14: ......rue_house:the one with the multimeter that didn't work
20:36:18: ......rue_house:hmmm
20:36:18: ..........Tom_L:lucky wasn't it?
20:36:23: .........RifRaf:Tom_L same big gap in data :(
20:36:28: ..........Tom_L:ok
20:36:30: .........RifRaf:string changed so is writing
20:36:50: ..........Tom_L:k
20:37:03: .........RifRaf:er no its not
20:37:09: ......rue_house:well, I was trying to help you get your code reading and writing, but I suppose as long as you have one end working your good
20:37:33: ..........Tom_L:rif you can try to read it bak if you wanna
20:37:35: .........RifRaf:rue_house i could read and write on the avr days ok
20:37:36: ......rue_house:I would have suggested starting with reading :)
20:37:51: .........RifRaf:ffs, you need to hang around more or not assume so little
20:37:56: ......rue_house:<RifRaf> string changed so is writing
20:37:58: ......rue_house:RifRaf> er no its not
20:38:12: ......rue_house:I cant hang around, I have to get the shop built
20:38:17: .........RifRaf:only the very first string has changed
20:38:37: ..........Tom_L:so it only wrote 1 block?
20:38:41: .........RifRaf:yep
20:39:07: ......rue_house:you might want to write a lot of data to see if its misordering the blocks on you
20:39:39: ......anonimasu:hm
20:39:42: .........RifRaf:rue_house you could be helpful if you want to be, i want to start dumping real data into the buffer to send to the mmc
20:40:36: .........RifRaf:nned to format a xml type string from a bunch of variables
20:42:29: ..........Tom_L:gimme a list of vars you wanna store
20:43:02: .........RifRaf:volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer
20:43:25: ......rue_house:possable dimension to your task
20:43:44: ..........Tom_L:rue we need a structure for that data
20:43:47: .........RifRaf:Tom_L wat do you think broke it?
20:43:47: ......rue_house:if hte avr reboots do you want it to start from the beggining of hte card and overwrite, or append the new data
20:43:53: ..........Tom_L:so we can block send it all at once
20:44:02: .........RifRaf:appending would be nice
20:44:03: ......rue_house:binary or ascii
20:44:05: ..........Tom_L:then read it back into that structure
20:44:07: .........RifRaf:ascii
20:44:14: ......rue_house:yea, you have enough room now
20:44:29: ..........Tom_L:we have a diff of opinion on that
20:44:36: .........RifRaf::)
20:44:52: ......rue_house:name it all the fields in xlm on one line, with a \n between entries
20:45:01: ..........Tom_L:i wanna store the values and reconstruct it to send out the serial port formatted for his vbasic program
20:45:28: ......rue_house:<V>12</V><I>2</I>...\n
20:45:51: ..........Tom_L:umm with room for a datestamp when we get the rtc goin too
20:45:52: ......rue_house:if its being read by the avr, I'd suggest a binary format
20:45:55: ......rue_house:less parsing
20:46:11: ......rue_house:unless you use fixed legth fields
20:46:36: ..........Tom_L:he just listed teh data he wants to store above
20:46:41: ......rue_house:I have to get up 1 more sheet of plywood
20:46:48: ......rue_house:yea
20:46:54: ......rue_house:V = volts
20:46:58: ......rue_house:I = shuntvolts
20:47:03: ..........Tom_L:appear to all be uint
20:47:06: ......rue_house:R = rpm...
20:47:28: ......rue_house:use short tags
20:47:42: ..........Tom_L:i'd like a structure with em all in it to use to send the data out
20:47:46: .........RifRaf:all values are between 0 and 1024
20:47:57: ......rue_house:my room made just made buffalo shepards pie
20:47:59: ......rue_house::/
20:48:07: .........RifRaf:so maybe use **** for each value to keep em the same
20:48:17: ......rue_house:fixed length
20:48:20: .........RifRaf:yep
20:48:22: ......rue_house:2 = 0002
20:48:26: .........RifRaf:yeah
20:48:42: ......rue_house:didn't you say some are 16 bit?
20:48:48: ......rue_house:if so, use 5
20:48:52: ..........Tom_L:i think they are all u int
20:48:54: ......rue_house:ok, plywood, bbl
20:49:00: ......rue_house:65536
20:49:06: .........RifRaf:yep true, maybe the int ones can count higher
20:49:14: .........RifRaf:like rpm
20:49:17: .........RifRaf:and windspeed
20:49:38: ..........Tom_L:temp could be neg
20:49:49: .........RifRaf:for you maybe :)
21:11:30: ............Rif:Tom_L ok as soon as i try change block size stops working and don't tget this after a write Data Response Token=0xE50
21:11:59: ..........Tom_L:ok that's the R1 word
21:12:14: ..........Tom_L:look it up in the pdf.. i gotta go for a sec
21:12:23: ............Rif:i gotta go get ready
21:12:26: ............Rif:but will do
21:14:20: ..........Tom_L:yeah
21:14:29: ..........Tom_L:got some card sockets
21:14:53: ............Rif:mail?
21:15:18: ..........Tom_L:samples
21:15:32: ............Rif:nice
21:15:59: ..........Tom_L:didn't think i would get those
21:17:15: ........nopcode:reee
21:17:27: ........nopcode:ok i guess i'm finished learning for the robotics-exam tomorrow *G*
21:17:56: ..........horar:god damn it, the girl next door is having sex very loudly! how can i concentrate with all this noise!
21:19:17: ........nopcode:by focusing on proper encoding?
21:19:55: ......anonimasu:LOL
21:20:04: ......anonimasu:horar: sucks to be you
21:21:46: ......Hierofant:Really? Don't you enjoy the sound of a girl getting off?
21:22:11: ..........horar:hmm. now for the encore, but this time it sounds like at least one of them has a mouthful.
21:22:27: ......Hierofant:is she cute?
21:22:55: ..........horar:yeah they're both cute.
21:23:24: ..........horar:they lock themselves out of their flat about once a fortnight and get me to break in for them.
21:23:33: ......anonimasu::)
21:23:34: ........nopcode:picking the lock?
21:23:36: ......Hierofant:o rly?
21:23:44: ..........horar:no, slipping the catch on one of the windows.
21:23:49: ........nopcode:ah, boring ;P
21:23:49: ......Hierofant:So I guess you could break in RIGHT NOW, eh?
21:23:50: ......Hierofant::)
21:23:55: ......anonimasu:picking locks is fun
21:23:58: ........nopcode:anonimasu: ack
21:23:58: .......wildmage:maybe you should record them and give back to them as a gift :)
21:23:58: ..........horar:one of them got her boyfriend to try it, but he broke the window. :)
21:24:30: ........nopcode:last few weeks i regularly picked a lock at university so we could learn ;)
21:24:32: ..........horar:i need an extension lead for my webcam. :)
21:24:39: ......Hierofant:haha
21:24:43: ......anonimasu:I do it for therapy sometimes..
21:24:49: ........nopcode:anonimasu: meditation?
21:24:52: ........nopcode:=)
21:24:54: ......anonimasu:something like it..
21:25:05: ......anonimasu:dosent really let you focus on other stuff while you pick..
21:25:15: ........nopcode:yeah
21:25:16: ......anonimasu:too bad I fucked up my assa practice lock :D
21:25:20: ........nopcode:hehe
21:25:24: ......anonimasu:with security pins and stuff..
21:25:31: ........nopcode:i've got a bunch of locks but they're with my parents
21:25:47: ........nopcode:yeah security pins are fun
21:25:51: ......anonimasu:the main thing is the torque wrench :)
21:25:51: ......Hierofant:Only lock I ever picked was a Masterlock
21:25:58: ........nopcode:the university locks have 6 pins, 2 of them (i think) security pins
21:26:14: ......anonimasu:you picked the pin per pin right?
21:26:17: ......anonimasu:them
21:26:21: ........nopcode:both
21:26:26: ......anonimasu:nice :)
21:26:37: ........nopcode:usually i rake a bit and pit the rest pin-by-pin, albeit using the snake because i'm too lazy to switch
21:26:45: ........nopcode:it bends down a bit which is enough in this case
21:26:53: ......anonimasu:hehe
21:27:04: ......anonimasu::)
21:27:10: ........nopcode:it's a fun hobby but i need a tougher challenge
21:27:14: ......anonimasu:oh..
21:27:16: ........nopcode:or rather, more tools so i can take the challenge
21:27:19: ......anonimasu:medeco.. :D
21:27:24: ........nopcode:lol right!
21:27:31: ......anonimasu:they can be picked.
21:27:35: ........nopcode:i know
21:27:37: ........nopcode:but still... lol
21:27:40: ......anonimasu:insanity :)
21:27:43: ........nopcode:i wouldn't consider trying it
21:27:56: ........nopcode:well i have to get warm with those... how are they called?
21:28:01: ........nopcode:dimple locks i think
21:28:01: ........nopcode:first
21:28:12: ........nopcode:for that i need a different set of tools
21:28:15: ......anonimasu:yeah
21:28:28: ........nopcode:but i realized
21:28:35: ........nopcode:that most high security locks aren't really that way
21:28:57: ........nopcode:most have a normal, vertical keyway it seems
21:29:00: ......anonimasu:most ones are just regular assa S?? something..
21:29:07: ......anonimasu:7 pin locks..
21:29:07: ..........Tom_L:got a key with no cuts.. it's digital
21:29:11: ........nopcode:yeah, abus / bks here in germany
21:29:16: ........nopcode:ah 7 yeah i read about that
21:29:16: ......anonimasu:magnetic?
21:29:22: ........nopcode:we usually have 5 pins in germany
21:29:26: ......anonimasu:ouch
21:29:31: ......anonimasu:that's a scary thing :)
21:29:37: ........nopcode:hehe
21:29:43: ..........Tom_L:it's got 4 or 5 strips on it
21:29:52: ........nopcode:Tom_L: is it a bluechip lock by any chance?
21:29:54: ........nopcode:winkhaus bluechip?
21:30:12: ..........Tom_L:marlok
21:30:18: ........nopcode:ah
21:30:24: ........nopcode:because winkhaus bluechip has crypto and everything
21:30:29: ........nopcode:but can also be opened with a big magnet
21:30:30: ........nopcode:;P
21:30:42: ........nopcode:they have so fucked up
21:30:42: ..........Tom_L:these are programmable locks
21:30:58: ........nopcode:yeah we have digital locks outside at university too
21:31:01: ........nopcode:and where i work as well
21:31:08: ........nopcode:but i think the latter is just rfid...
21:31:13: ..........Tom_L:different levels of security etc
21:31:13: ........nopcode:gotta confirm that sometime with a scope
21:31:51: ......anonimasu:
ACTION nods

21:33:04: ......anonimasu:sorry for interupting :D
21:34:06: ............Rif:Tom_L page 32, table 3-25
21:35:15: ............Rif:Write_Bl_Partial
21:35:54: ............Rif:might be answer?
21:36:05: ..........Tom_L:these won't work
21:36:11: ............Rif:your sockets?
21:36:14: ..........Tom_L:yeah
21:36:19: ............Rif:damn, wats wrong?
21:36:36: ..........Tom_L:the mmc are thiner than sd and i ordered both but got mmc
21:36:58: ............Rif:we are using mmc though?
21:37:08: ..........Tom_L:the dimensions are the same except the sd are allowed to be thicker
21:37:16: ..........Tom_L:mine are sd
21:37:23: ..........Tom_L:9 pin like yours
21:37:26: ..........Tom_L:but thicker
21:37:27: ............Rif:you bought sd?
21:37:30: ..........Tom_L:yeah
21:37:35: ..........Tom_L:pretty sure
21:37:35: ............Rif:hrm, ok
21:37:55: ..........Tom_L:i could make these work for test maybe
21:38:00: ..........Tom_L:the pins are ok
21:38:09: ..........Tom_L:just have to break the housing a bit
21:38:53: ..........Tom_L:i'l prolly wait
21:39:02: ............Rif:break it!
21:40:21: ..........Tom_L:what chapter is r1 in
21:41:21: ............Rif:wasn't lookin for it so not sure
21:41:49: ............Rif:did you see the write partial block thing?
21:42:10: ............Rif:be default we can only do multiples of 512
21:44:01: ............Rif:do you concur?
21:44:21: ..........Tom_L:Write_Bl_Partial = 1 it can be 1 byte
21:44:37: ............Rif:yep
21:44:55: ..........Tom_L:cmd24 says write_block is set by blocklen
21:45:13: ..........Tom_L:so maybe we need to use cmd 24
21:45:23: ............Rif:so we need an extra command before r1 = mmcSendCommand(MMC_SET_BLOCKLEN, 512);
21:45:26: ..........Tom_L:see what the function is using
21:45:37: ..........Tom_L:to write to the card...
21:45:40: ............Rif:oh, i'll read more
21:45:54: ............Rif:how is it set?
21:46:11: ..........Tom_L:look at the function that writes the stuff to the card
21:46:18: ..........Tom_L:and see what cmd it's using to do it
21:46:21: ..........Tom_L:if it shows
21:47:12: ..........Tom_L:you need to try set block len then cmd 24
21:47:14: ............Rif:there is lots of stuff in it
21:47:47: ..........Tom_L:or cmd 25 writes multiple blocks
21:47:52: ............Rif://! Send card an MMC command.
21:47:52: ............Rif:/// Returns R1 result code.
21:47:52: ............Rif:u08 mmcSendCommand(u08 cmd, u32 arg);
21:47:57: ..........Tom_L:until a stop is received
21:49:05: ............Rif:ok i see no 25
21:49:10: ............Rif:maybe we have to add it
21:49:28: ............Rif:in here?.
21:49:29: ............Rif:#define MMC_WRITE_BLOCK 24 ///< write a block
21:49:29: ............Rif:#define MMC_PROGRAM_CSD 27
21:49:35: ..........Tom_L:5-11
21:49:45: ..........Tom_L:i gotta go for hr
21:50:08: ..........Tom_L:you need to be in the spi chapter
21:50:09: ............Rif:no worries
21:50:28: ..........Tom_L:those are the only commands that apply to us
21:50:36: ............Rif:ok have that printed, will sit and look
21:50:46: ..........Tom_L:i'll be bak in a while
21:51:05: ..........Tom_L:working on writing structure
21:51:08: ..........Tom_L:too
21:51:26: ............Rif:k cool
21:51:41: ..........Tom_L:just take longer than rif
21:51:43: ..........Tom_L:rue
21:54:51: ..........Tom_L:http://members.cox.net/tlight9b/Temp/mmc1.jpg
21:54:54: ..........Tom_L:http://members.cox.net/tlight9b/Temp/mmc2.jpg
21:55:31: ..........Tom_L:just too friggin thin
21:55:38: ..........Tom_L:bbl
21:58:04: ........theatro:wow cool
21:58:32: ..........Tom_L:molex samples
21:58:45: ..........Tom_L:got different ones comin from digikey
21:58:48: ..........Tom_L:i hope
21:59:11: ........theatro:yeah it is so stupid
21:59:23: ........theatro:they god like 10 different types of flash cards
21:59:28: ........theatro:(sizes)
21:59:37: ............Rif:nice, they would fit my crd
22:53:44: ..........Tom_L:Rif
22:54:47: ............Rif:am about
22:54:57: ..........Tom_L:you have calipers?
22:54:58: ............Rif:tidying up a little
22:55:08: ..........Tom_L:how thick is your card
22:56:04: ..........Tom_L:i wonder if the adapter for the tiny sd is thinner
22:56:31: ..........Tom_L:they are about 1/6 this size but come with an adapter
22:56:56: ..........Tom_L:the ones i ordered should be fine
22:58:02: ............Rif:1.35mm
22:58:46: ............Rif:how thick is yours?
22:59:02: ..........Tom_L:mine's 2.14mm
22:59:22: ............Rif:wow
22:59:31: ..........Tom_L:and the adapter spacing is about 1.55mm
22:59:32: ............Rif:chunky
22:59:40: ..........Tom_L:that's the only diff
22:59:45: ............Rif:force it in
23:00:08: ..........Tom_L:wouldn't work
23:00:08: ............Rif:cut the socket up, is a sample
23:00:08: ..........Tom_L:it would just break
23:00:11: ..........Tom_L:i can wait a day or two
23:00:24: ............Rif:iron your card flatter
23:00:34: ......anonimasu::)
23:00:55: ........theatro:no he will wait
23:01:02: ............Rif:no no
23:01:03: ..........Tom_L:wonder if anyone here has one of the tiny sd cards that comes with the adapter
23:01:16: ..........Tom_L:wanna know how thick the adapter is
23:01:28: ..........Tom_L:i couldn't tell thru the blister pak
23:01:45: ..........Tom_L:they wouldn't let me poke my calipers in it either
23:01:46: ........theatro:I dont have
23:01:49: ............Rif:my mmc card has an adapter
23:01:54: ............Rif:to make it longer though
23:02:06: ..........Tom_L:have you seen those tiny ones?
23:02:16: ..........Tom_L:i'd be afraid of loosing it
23:02:35: ......anonimasu:yeah..
23:02:39: ............Rif:my camera is XD
23:02:43: ......anonimasu:my phone has thoose..
23:02:53: ..........Tom_L:did it come with an adapter?
23:02:57: ......anonimasu:I cant remember
23:03:00: ......anonimasu:but I think it did
23:03:02: ..........Tom_L:you're no help
23:03:03: ............Rif:nope
23:03:14: ..........Tom_L:find it and tell me how thick it is
23:03:21: ............Rif:find wat?
23:03:27: ..........Tom_L:not you silly
23:03:28: ......anonimasu:it's at work in a box.
23:03:34: ......anonimasu:t-flash
23:03:41: ............Rif:XD is 1.65mm
23:03:49: ......anonimasu:http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.telecomwereld.nl/pic/news/184/tflash.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.telecomwereld.nl/n0000184.htm&h=296&w=440&sz=24&hl=sv&start=4&tbnid=hdbcmJ29MvX1BM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dt-flash%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
23:04:11: ............Rif:hi patheticfart
23:04:32: ..........Tom_L:yeah that's prolly it
23:04:32: ........theatro:feed me, I am hungry
23:04:38: ..........Tom_L:but these say sd compatible
23:04:40: ......anonimasu:they are cute..
23:05:36: ......anonimasu:night
23:05:46: ..........Tom_L:i'll just make my board for the one coming
23:05:56: ............Rif:breadboard?
23:06:01: ..........Tom_L:yeah
23:06:03: ..........Tom_L:the adapter
23:06:12: ..........Tom_L:since they all have different smd pinouts
23:06:28: ..........Tom_L:i think i made one for that part
23:06:28: ............Rif:oh
23:06:35: ............Rif:the actual pcb
23:06:35: ..........Tom_L:and maybe this one
23:06:43: ..........Tom_L:yeah for the adapter
23:07:03: ............Rif:i can't work out this partial block lenth thing
23:07:16: ............Rif:maybe we should stay with 512
23:07:24: ..........Tom_L:well you haven't tried long enough yet
23:07:25: ............Rif:seems to be the standard
23:07:31: ............Rif::(
23:07:41: ..........Tom_L:gotta get real frustrated when working first
23:07:51: ..........Tom_L:that's the law
23:12:31: ......rue_house:.5K block size?
23:13:15: ............Rif:rue_house wanna try help?
23:13:26: ..........Tom_L:that's what we're stuck with atm
23:13:35: ......rue_house:its reading and writing, whats the prob?
23:13:49: ............Rif:we are wasying 99% of the space
23:13:51: ..........Tom_L:we wanna make the block size smaller if possible
23:13:53: ............Rif:and its in no order
23:13:59: ............Rif:and its not real data
23:14:18: ............Rif:and output variables, not junk
23:14:27: ..........Tom_L:or write a 512byte block in ram then send it if we can't make the card do it
23:14:30: ............Rif:yes
23:14:59: ......rue_house:2K Byte Internal SRAM
23:15:04: ......rue_house:was just checking that
23:15:17: ......rue_house:thats what you want to do
23:15:18: ..........Tom_L:rue, by default the sd card starts up in 512 mode
23:15:24: ......rue_house:ok
23:15:33: ..........Tom_L:there are commands to change that but we don't have em workin yet
23:16:04: ..........Tom_L:the block size can be as small as 1 byte
23:16:04: ......rue_house:I wouldn't change it
23:16:11: ......rue_house:some cards may not wanna support it
23:16:28: ......rue_house:cheap ones from china
23:16:33: ............Rif:yep, i think stay with the 512
23:16:48: ..........Tom_L:well then we need to write multiple records at once then
23:16:53: ..........Tom_L:like 4 at a time
23:16:58: ......rue_house:you might also be able to to feed it your block really slow
23:17:08: ............Rif:yep, or however many it needs to fill it
23:17:28: ......rue_house:make your record size fall ona a power of 2
23:17:30: ..........Tom_L:64 x 4 = 256 hmm maybe 6 or 8 at a tiem
23:17:46: ..........Tom_L:rue can you write a structure for me
23:17:58: ..........Tom_L:i'm working on it, but i'm no good at it
23:18:03: ......rue_house:!thislog
23:19:28: ......rue_house:where the freak is the variable list
23:19:35: ..........Tom_L:hang on
23:19:50: ............Rif:volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L:Struct buffer {
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int volts;
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int shuntvolts;
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L: u16 rpm;
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L: u16 windpulse;
23:19:57: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int mode;
23:19:59: ..........Tom_L: u16 direction;
23:20:01: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int recttemp;
23:20:03: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int outtemp;
23:20:05: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int insidetemp;
23:20:07: ..........Tom_L: unsigned int barometer};
23:20:08: ......rue_house:d</S><M>%d<M><D>%d</D><T1>%d</T1><T2>%d</T2><T3>%d</T3><B>%d</B>]\r\n",volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer);
23:20:09: ..........Tom_L:that's what i have
23:20:23: ......rue_house:rprintf("[<V>%d</V><I>%d</I><R>%d</R><S>%d</S><M>%d<M><D>%d</D><T1>%d</T1><T2>%d</T2><T3>%d</T3><B>%d</B>]\r\n",volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer);
23:20:35: ............Rif:yep that sends it to serial port
23:20:50: ......rue_house:so lets pad it up a little
23:20:53: ............Rif:that way i wanna store it but Tom_L thinks we can remove the formatting
23:21:17: ..........Tom_L:i wanted to store it to the card like that, then re-construct it when it gets sent over the serial port
23:21:17: ............Rif:i think the formatting is handy for dumping it to a pc, or using on a pc
23:21:20: ......rue_house:why not store it in the same format as the serial port so all you have to do to send it is capy the data
23:21:28: ............Rif:yes i agree
23:21:36: ..........Tom_L:takes alot more space
23:21:40: ............Rif:we have alot
23:21:42: ..........Tom_L:poor programming
23:21:45: ......rue_house:you have 512M???
23:21:47: ..........Tom_L:so
23:21:48: ......rue_house:what more do you want
23:21:50: ..........Tom_L:it's the idea
23:22:01: ............Rif:Tom_L makes more complex programming
23:22:02: ......rue_house:its also possable to accessit easily via other means
23:22:10: ......rue_house:what?
23:22:13: ............Rif:and we can't just read on pc without the avr reformatting it
23:22:25: ..........Tom_L:you can't anyway
23:22:33: ............Rif:yes we can
23:22:34: ..........Tom_L:you're not using fat16 or32
23:22:34: ......rue_house:you guys are going to change you mind before I finish writing 1 line of code
23:22:40: ............Rif:i can cat the disk to a file
23:22:54: ..........Tom_L:rue, i'll live with it
23:22:57: ..........Tom_L:but i won't like it
23:22:58: ............Rif:;)
23:23:07: ............Rif:thats the way Tom_L
23:23:13: ..........Tom_L:pfffft
23:23:16: ............Rif:allow yourself to be assimilated
23:23:29: ..........Tom_L:there's a fire at the end of this bridge
23:23:57: ......rue_house:how many digits, 4 or 5
23:24:09: ............Rif:5 would be safe
23:24:23: ............Rif:then the 4 digit ones can have a negative value
23:24:59: ............Rif:
ACTION hands Tom_L a bucket of water

23:25:34: ..........Tom_L:you've got some u16's defined
23:25:45: ......rue_house:tell me whats 4 and whats 5
23:27:33: ............Rif:volts(4),shuntvolts(4),rpm(5),windpulse(5),mode(1),direction(4),recttemp(5),outtemp(5),insidetemp(5),barometer(4)
23:27:34: ............Rif:i think
23:27:58: ......rue_house:rprintf("<V>%05d</V><I>%05d</I><R>%05d</R><S>%05d</S><M>%05d<M><D>%05d</D><T1>%05d</T1><T2>%05d</T2><T3>%05d</T3><B>%05d</B>\n",volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer);
23:27:58: ......rue_house:is
23:28:14: ......rue_house:0x7F bytes
23:28:17: ............Rif:yeah make em all five, only wastes a few bits
23:28:50: ............Rif:i'll test out the %05d stuff
23:29:17: ......rue_house:oops
23:29:26: ......rue_house:need 1 more char in there
23:29:59: ......rue_house:I know, stick a space on the end before the \n
23:30:15: ............Rif:starts with [ , ends with ]
23:30:18: ......rue_house:0070: 3E 3C 42 3E 2D 2D 2D 2D - 2D 3C 2F 42 3E 20 5C 6E ><B>-----</B> \n
23:30:21: ......rue_house:why?
23:30:24: ......rue_house:get rid of that
23:30:34: ............Rif:the pc wants i think
23:30:34: ......rue_house:you have \n
23:30:39: ............Rif:k
23:31:01: ......rue_house:7F characters is a good number
23:31:05: ............Rif:yep
23:31:23: ......rue_house:esp cause the first ones 0x00
23:31:46: ......rue_house:then you fit 4 records/block
23:33:10: ............Rif:can you make mode 1 bit?
23:33:16: ............Rif:and add the []
23:33:35: ............Rif:actuallyu i'll watch, not sure wat you are up to yet
23:34:01: ..........Tom_L:he's tryin to keep it at 127bytes
23:34:17: ..........Tom_L:so you can get 4 records in a block
23:34:33: ......rue_house:you can fit 2 million samples on your 512M card
23:34:41: ............Rif::/ thats lots
23:34:53: ............Rif:so 1 million in my 256
23:35:00: ............Rif:and 250k in toms 64mb
23:35:09: ......rue_house:Tom_L, its 128 bytes
23:35:15: ......rue_house:that line I gave you
23:35:37: ..........Tom_L:i know.... i'm counting zero
23:35:53: ......rue_house:ok
23:35:55: ......rue_house:just a sec
23:36:20: ......rue_house:make mode %3d
23:36:24: ......rue_house:and add the [ and ]
23:36:45: ......rue_house:[<V>-----</V><I>-----</I><R>-----</R><S>-----</S><M>---<M><D>-----</D><T1>-----</T1><T2>-----</T2><T3>-----</T3><B>-----</B>] \n
23:37:07: ......rue_house:rprintf("[<V>%05d</V><I>%05d</I><R>%05d</R><S>%05d</S><M>%03d<M><D>%05d</D><T1>%05d</T1><T2>%05d</T2><T3>%05d</T3><B>%05d</B> ]\n",volts,shuntvolts,rpm,windpulse,mode,direction,recttemp,outtemp,insidetemp,barometer);
23:37:14: ......rue_house:DO NOT LEAVE OUT ANY CHARACTERS
23:37:24: ......rue_house:like that space before the \n
23:38:06: ......rue_house:you guys will be good from there, I'm gonna nap
23:38:45: ............Rif:thanks you
23:38:53: ............Rif:i think i killed my avr
23:39:34: ............Rif:fuck!
23:41:30: ........pepsi__:hi
23:51:10: ..........Tom_L:hi pepsi__
23:54:37: ........pepsi__::)
23:58:34: .........kaeles::D
23:58:47: .........kaeles:how is everyone?
23:59:11: ........ace4016:bored
23:59:17: .........kaeles:wee
23:59:40: .........kaeles:im about to try and use a potentiometer with my ADC and see if i can set my led blinking speed with it
23:59:43: .........kaeles:for practice